I HATE vegitarians who are vegitarians because of the animals well being

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Dissident
blah! blah! growing plants takes up more space. *yawn*

Show me a plant that has as much protein (and B12 for that matter) as meat and tastes just as good.

I'm waiting. I'll eat it in a heartbeat if it meets the above qualifications.

To raise livestock, you have to grow plants. (no matter how much 'filler' they add to the feed) A hamburger is the equivelant of 2 loaves of bread, from the grain that the cow ate. And it only takes less space to raise livestock when you factory farm them.

And you don't need as much protein as there is in meats (atleast not for as much meat as the average western eats in a day). Western diet has way too much protein in it in the first place, and it really is not difficult at all to get the protein you need as a vegetarian.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Maniac


Complete vegetarianism isn't healthier actually. According to my biology teacher from a few years back, there's a certain vitamin that the human body doesn't produce in sufficient quality out of itself, and which can only be found in meat. You need to eat meat at least once a month to stay completely healthy, so he said.

There are certain amino acids that most people usually get from meat that also occur in nuts and fungi but not vegetables. Not getting enough of these can be a problem for people on extreme vegetarian diets (no dairy products, eggs, that kind of thing).

[Az]

This is your (and several others) problem man.. Your sense of superiority over other living things. It's not because you are able to thing abstractly that you are worth more... It's a ridiculous point of view because there isn't such a thing as being worth more than another animal. Like that animal is not worth more than you. It's you who seems barbaric to me...

Now was it Ghandi that said you could rate a civilization by looking at the way they treat their animals?... A civilization with the best technology or the biggest population isn't necessarily the best one you know..

A crock of ****. Humans are responsible for themselves, noone else.

I'd kill a million mice to save a human being.

[OliverFA]

I don't eat vegetables because I cannot stand the thought of these poor beings being killed just to give me something to eat

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Azazel
[q]
I'd kill a million mice to save a human being.

Same here. But I would make some effort not to torture these mice while killing them. Such an effort I'd like to see in slaughterhouses.

[:) Smiley]

Originally posted by Trajanus

A civilization with the best technology or the biggest population isn't necessarily the best one you know..

The one that gets to Alpha Centauri first is! :banana:

[Japher]

My argument:

If it wasn't for Meat eaters and certain religious customs Cows, Chickens, and Pigs would be extinct or on the endangered species list by now.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Japher
My argument:

If it wasn't for Meat eaters and certain religious customs Cows, Chickens, and Pigs would be extinct or on the endangered species list by now.

Cows Chickens and Pigs are all man-made species for the purpose of farming.

[Japher]

That still does not negate the fact, Osweld...

We also culturvate vegies...

Besides, eating meat is then, obviously, a human thing to do...

[Dis]

Vitamin B12 is the one you need from meat.

but you can get that from a vitamin suppliment.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Dissident
Vitamin B12 is the one you need from meat.

but you can get that from a vitamin suppliment.

Or dairy, or yeast.

[Dis]

well vegans don't eat dairy.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Dissident
well vegans don't eat dairy.

Vegans eat loads of soy and tofu though. Don't these vegetables replace animal proteins and vitamins to some extent ?

[Jon Miller]

you can also get a lot (of protein) from soy

jon Miller

[Japher]

not aminos though