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  • Fez's info does not in ANY way mean the Reagan was a bad president - just the opposite. So what if the rich got richer? The poor got richer too. Notice how the poor DIDN'T get richer under those other presidents.

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    • Originally posted by OliverFA
      Of course! It's better to just give the lazy people the same money and recognition that the ones who work hard. I am not surprised that the lazy people agree with that police, but at the end that destroys the system. You have two very good samples in the two Germany states and the two Koreas. But as someone said, there are not enough reasons to convince the one that doesn't want to be convinced.


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      • Originally posted by skywalker
        Fez's info does not in ANY way mean the Reagan was a bad president - just the opposite. So what if the rich got richer? The poor got richer too. Notice how the poor DIDN'T get richer under those other presidents.


        Tuomerehu: HEhehehe.. I'll leave it just to be annoying.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • Just because I believe Reagan was guilty of neglecting to react to the AIDS crisis, does not mean that I do not believe in my country.


          And I cannot recall the specifics, but there was another, smaller crisis that occured in the early years of AIDS. "And the Band Played On" discussed when a few people died from contaminated Tylenol or asprin, and the federal government carried out an immediate, massive reaction to recall the product, and changed regulations for packaging pills, in a short time.
          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • Yeah, that's why we have those pressure-sealed bottle caps, etc. My dad told me about it.

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            • I don't think Reagan was guilty of neglecting AIDs... just the fact that the entire world was caught off guard. That is all.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • Originally posted by skywalker
                Yeah, that's why we have those pressure-sealed bottle caps, etc. My dad told me about it.
                And yet, only a couple of people died from the contamination.

                So when ONLY hundreds (of ******s) were dying from this new, mysterious "cancer" a reaction from the federal government would not be justified.


                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • I again think that everybody was caught off guard. I still highly regard Reagan.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • Originally posted by Fez
                    I again think that everybody was caught off guard. I still highly regard Reagan.
                    Read "And the Band Played On."

                    Hardly not everyone was caught off guard.
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • Originally posted by MrFun


                      Read "And the Band Played On."

                      Hardly not everyone was caught off guard.
                      Reagan was nonetheless, an overall excellent president.

                      Is it wrong for me to think this, even being gay?
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • Originally posted by Fez


                        Reagan was nonetheless, an overall excellent president.

                        Is it wrong for me to think this, even being gay?


                        You can be gay and conservative -- but you really should read about how Reagan mis-handled the AIDS crisis and then form an opinion.
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • Originally posted by MrFun




                          You can be gay and conservative -- but you really should read about how Reagan mis-handled the AIDS crisis and then form an opinion.
                          The question is did Reagan underestimate the situation? I would have... I will look at other books first, from both sides then form my opinion. At this time from what I know, I will stick by my statement that Reagan was caught off guard by the crisis.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • You decide on this without even reading up on it?
                            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                            • Originally posted by MrFun
                              You decide on this without even reading up on it?
                              I have been reading up on some information on it in the past, albeit not enough.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • Originally posted by Fez


                                I have been reading up on some information on it in the past, albeit not enough.
                                Just for your information, while Reagan was still governor California, IIRC, there was an anti-gay initiative on the ballot. Everyone expected Reagan to be in favor of the propostion given that he was a "conservative." Reagan surprised most people by coming out strongly against the proposition. As a result, the proposition failed.

                                I have no idea how Reagan "failed" when AIDS first appeared. However, he was NOT a gay bashing social conservative AFAIK.
                                http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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