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**Tuberski** · July 21, 2003, 20:15

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Kobe is screwed if they don't get out of that county. 1% black. ouch. Innocent looking girl raped by a talk muscular black man. yikes. Nugget fans on the jury.

He's got a hell of a defense team. Denver he wins hands down. eagle cty, who know what will happen with that jury.

Like ther are 12 Nuggets fans........

ACK!

**Al B. Sure!** · July 22, 2003, 00:46

The Nuggets are still a team? damn i thought they moved cities or something lol

**Sikander** · July 22, 2003, 01:01

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Those are quite disturbing websites. Check out how much property tax they pay each year. mail them a nice letter. They live in a 4 bedroom 2.5 bath 2 story home. Property value: 344,360 bought in 1988 for 93000. nice.

That kinda puts a kink in the "she's only in it for the money" theory. That and the fact that she ran to the police immediately after it happened. The most damning thing for me was Kobe's press conference where he tried unsuccessfully to whip up some tears for the cameras. What a punk.

**Dis** · July 22, 2003, 01:07

First of all she is 19 years old and working a minimum wage job at a hotel. Do you think that home might be her parents?

Second I just heard today she didn't go to the police right after it happened. She went home. This is common after rapes. but it also gave her time to self inflict any kind of "injuries" Kobe might have done to her. And yes, women have done this before. Women aren't innocent little things, they are manipulative. Now if they find bruises and scratches on Kobe- that is different- that would probably mean he is guilty.

But you do have to wonder why Kobe didn't use a condom. That may be an indicator he did rape her. Because if he was just cheating, he would use a condom right? You don't want to get the girl pregnant. Although other NBA stars cheat all the time and don't use condoms, so I won't put it past Kobe to be stupid and not use a condom for consensual sex with someone other than his wife.

**Al B. Sure!** · July 22, 2003, 01:14

i'd just like to add that none of this would have ever happened had Kobe been loyal to his wife...

may this be a lesson to everyone.

**badams52** · July 22, 2003, 01:41

Funny how adultery often happens to those with money and power: MJ, Magic Johnson, Clinton, Wade Boggs, King David...

**Ted Striker** · July 22, 2003, 01:43

No doubt. More money more problems.

2Pac says, "**** the fame I'm just a simple man."

where you staying in cali dog?

**Al B. Sure!** · July 22, 2003, 01:44

lol you know what i never realized... Magic and Jordan got the same initials

**Ted Striker** · July 22, 2003, 01:44

so does Michael Jackson

**Al B. Sure!** · July 22, 2003, 01:47

yeah 2pac had similiar problems too... except he never was accused of the actual act of rape as far as i know... only for aiding other men rape that woman.

DMX also had a rape case... so did Styles P (he in jail right now for it)... what is this? the thing for famous black men to do? rape women? oh well...

**Ted Striker** · July 22, 2003, 01:47

oh I didn't know DMX had a rape case

I heard he was retiring for a while

DMX is a bad ass actor. He just brings the presense and doesn't even have to say anything

**Al B. Sure!** · July 22, 2003, 01:57

yeah. years ago... when he first became big. and yeah, he's supposed to be retiring (but so was Jay-Z and Ja Rule but nothing came of that) and his 'last album' was supposed to be released several months ago but it's still been delayed with no release date so far. apparently, you'll see DMX in a few more movies before he retires from rap to... yes... to pursue his acting career.

but yeah, it's amazing how many rappers have had movies. it's a standard in the industry and the thing is, almost none of them can really act. Ice Cube and 2pac was just about it (maybe Ice T and LL Cool J deserve a little credit though)... 2pac apparently took acting classes in high school so he was the first rapper to be in a non-gangster role. but the point is, rappers always end up actors but bad ones

**Al B. Sure!** · July 22, 2003, 01:58

by the way, just as an aside... Kobe had a short rap career too... he released an album or two. didn't have the longetivity of shaq though

**Sikander** · July 22, 2003, 01:59

Originally posted by Dissident
First of all she is 19 years old and working a minimum wage job at a hotel. Do you think that home might be her parents?

I never thought otherwise. But they obviously aren't destitute. You are more likely to run into a celebrity in this area (Eagle and Pitkin counties) than you are in Hollywood. Hollywood has more celebrities, but it also has a lot more people. I'm sure this girl has met more than a few celebrities working at that resort. I include this info mainly to counter the "she saw an opportunity and jumped on it" crowd. She's has plenty of opportunities if she were so inclined. I also doubt that she managed to talk the other girl at the front desk in perjuring herself on the spur of the moment as you suggest. It is much more likely that she really was crying, whether from being raped or regretting having concensual sex.

Originally posted by Dissident
Second I just heard today she didn't go to the police right after it happened. She went home. This is common after rapes. but it also gave her time to self inflict any kind of "injuries" Kobe might have done to her. And yes, women have done this before. Women aren't innocent little things, they are manipulative. Now if they find bruises and scratches on Kobe- that is different- that would probably mean he is guilty.

The fact that the sheriff and the prosecutor both seem to think he is guilty is a fair indication that there is more evidence than that which indicates that Kobe merely had sex with her. I'm not absolutely sure that he raped or sexually assaulted her, but the odds are more than likely that he did. The prosecutor isn't going to waltz into court with a half-assed case against the sort of defense team a mega-wealthy man can put together. We'll obviously know more about what kind of case he has once he has presented it, but he doesn't seem like a fool.

Originally posted by Dissident
But you do have to wonder why Kobe didn't use a condom. That may be an indicator he did rape her. Because if he was just cheating, he would use a condom right? You don't want to get the girl pregnant. Although other NBA stars cheat all the time and don't use condoms, so I won't put it past Kobe to be stupid and not use a condom for consensual sex with someone other than his wife.

One would assume you are correct about the condom. Aside from the getting the girl pregnant and suffering the embarrassment from a paternity suit, there is also the chance that he would bring a venereal disease home to his wife, which doesn't sound like a smart plan either. Whatever happened, it sounds like it was somewhat spontaneous. Perhaps the painkillers he was on following his surgery played a role in clouding his judgement.

The fact that there has been a concerted effort to smear this girl's reputation from before the prosecutor announced the charge also seems to indicate that the defense has reason to worry. He'll have his trial though, and he stands a good chance at aquittal even if he is guilty. All it will take is one juror to doubt the girl's testimony, and she'll have to take the stand and face cross examination.

**Ted Striker** · July 22, 2003, 02:00

LL is hit or miss

He kicked ass in Any Given Sunday

JaRule needs to take a break. I am tired of hearing his ass in every female R & B song.

Ice Cube and 2Pac were good.

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