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Because it's the law of the land... and our constitution allows laws to be passed...
Further, would you finally, at long last, admit that a law can be immoral?
from the beginning the founding fathers knew that change would happen, and that additional laws would be required.
Nope... as a citizen... you follow the rules, as they change.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Like you, I'm stating an opinion. And I have supported that opinion far better than you haveFollow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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If the government changed the rules midstream, didn't the government, then, violate IT'S contract with ME?
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That would be the case IF conscription is unconstitutional,
Further, the Constitution also isn't really a contract, and when Ming says "social contract", I seriously doubt he is referring to the Constitution. If he is, then he has the mechanism for change severely screwed up.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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By the way, Ming,
My arugment is simple... You agree as a member of society/country to follow the rules to remain a member.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Originally posted by David Floyd
You certainly didn't support your opinion about absolute morals, which is an absolutely vital element of this debate.
As far as conscription... you claim that it is immoral based on YOUR absolute morals.. and call it slavery and a loss of freedom.
I claim it's not, because I don't view it as slavery or as a loss of personal freedom since people have the CHOICE not to be conscripted if they don't want to. They have options... remain an American, live up to their duty to the state by following the laws of the land or accepting the punishment for their choice, or choosing not to be an American.
In my opinion... that's far more support than you just making a claim that isn't really valid.Keep on Civin'
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Originally posted by David Floyd
By the way, Ming,
This is saying that if society allows certain citizens to be enslaved, then those citizens have a duty to be slaves. But this can't be your opinion, since you already said that slavery is an absolute moral wrong. So I think you need to either clarify your position on morality, or make another argument that is logically consistent.
Which is very consistant with EVERYTHING I've been sayingKeep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O
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Absolute morals are a matter of opinion. You say you believe one thing, and I say another... There is no possible support that makes one opinon better than another... because absolute morals are personal.
I claim it's not, because I don't view it as slavery or as a loss of personal freedom since people have the CHOICE not to be conscripted if they don't want to.
I suppose you'd be right, up until the point when you punished me for violating the law. Then my freedom would certainly be infringed.
that's far more support...Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Again... you aren't listening very well... If I was in a society that enslaved citizens, which I do believe is wrong, I would leave that society/country, and find one that didn't. That would be my choice...
Furthermore, what you would do in the case of OTHER people being enslaved is irrelevant, as we are discussing your options should something happen to YOU.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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And further, WHY do you think slavery is wrong? On what grounds do you condemn it?Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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And I note that you STILL haven't answered me re: Conscientious Objectors.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Originally posted by David Floyd
No, absolute morals are by definition NOT personal, but apply to everyone. They are by definition universal.
You seem to think the conscription violates one... My view is that it doesn't.Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O
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Originally posted by David Floyd
That's nice, but obviously the people who were enslaved wouldn't have that choice, would they? The very definition of slavery does not include the element of choosing to leave rather than be a slave.
I knew I could eventually bait you into saying that.
Conscription isn't slavery based on your above definition. Conscription comes with a choice, while slavery doesn't. While slavery is indeed immoral, conscription isn't.
Have a nice dayKeep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O
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