Oh, that wacky Pat Robertson!

[Giancarlo]

Robertson is such a dumb ass... needless to say, completely braindead.

[Drake Tungsten]

Hey, here's some other choice quotes from your buddy Robertson

I probably hate Robertson as much as you do.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
What bothers me, however, is when folks like Boris act all high and mighty one minute, denouncing Sava with plenty of righteous indignation, and then turn around and wish death on someone they don't like in another thread. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

This is soley due to your apparent inability to read what is actually written instead of what is made up in your head when you want to go and jump on your favorite targets. What I disapproved of was the celebrating of Thurmond's death after the fact. Until Robertson actually does die and you witness me doing backflips and singing Hallelujah, then you can have your snit.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Hey, here's some other choice quotes from your buddy Robertson

I probably hate Robertson as much as you do.

Good! So go away and let us resume our Robertson-bashing fun without an imp coming in to snipe at imagined hypocrisy.

I'll have you note that I've wished death on Bin Laden, and since I see no real difference between one fanatical hatemonger and another, I have been consistent. Thank you.

[Drake Tungsten]

What I disapproved of was the celebrating of Thurmond's death after the fact. Until Robertson actually does die and you witness me doing backflips and singing Hallelujah, then you can have your snit.

So it's alright to wish death on people, but in bad taste to admit you're happy about it when they finally do kick the bucket? Do you realize how absurd this justification you've concocted is? You better get back to changing the subject, for your own sake.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

What I disapproved of was the celebrating of Thurmond's death after the fact. Until Robertson actually does die and you witness me doing backflips and singing Hallelujah, then you can have your snit.

So it's alright to wish death on people, but in bad taste to admit you're happy about it when they finally do kick the bucket? Do you realize how absurd this justification you've concocted is? You better get back to changing the subject, for your own sake.

Why is it absurd to wish that people who actively engage in hurting others be gone from the world? I take no particular joy in hoping Robertson takes dirt nap, and when he does die I won't gloat a bit. But he hurts people--lots of them--and shouldn't be able to do it anymore.

The other point is that the celebrating has to do with the living, not the dead. However evil and nasty a man may be, his loved ones are owed a due bit of reverence when he passes and they mourn. Just as Thurmond's family should have been spared the gleeful shouts when they lost him, so too should Robertson's family be spared. The cheering is just adding to the misery of those who aren't gulity, as the dead man isn't around any more to see it. What matters it to the dead how we react to their passing? It's those left behing that is of concern then.

But while Robertson is alive, it's open season. He wants to preach hatred against entire groups, fine. I return his hatred on an individual level. His words and actions have merited the judgement. He wants me to die? Fine, I want him to die. I have no qualms about that.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
But while Robertson is alive, it's open season. He wants to preach hatred against entire groups, fine. I return his hatred on an individual level. His words and actions have merited the judgement. He wants me to die? Fine, I want him to die. I have no qualms about that.

I completely agree.

And I think the same.. he wants me to die? Well.. that has warrented the same judgement from me towards him. On a different note, does anybody really listen to Robertson other than the miniscule religious nutcase minority?

[Drake Tungsten]

The other point is that the celebrating has to do with the living, not the dead. However evil and nasty a man may be, his loved ones are owed a due bit of reverence when he passes and they mourn. Just as Thurmond's family should have been spared the gleeful shouts when they lost him, so too should Robertson's family be spared. The cheering is just adding to the misery of those who aren't gulity, as the dead man isn't around any more to see it.

Oh lord, is that the excuse you're going with? That you were justified in attacking Sava for his comments, because you needed to protect the family of Strom Thurmond? I seriously doubt the family was going to see a post on Apolyton. Come off it.

He wants me to die? Fine, I want him to die. I have no qualms about that.

Fine, preach your hatred all you want. It's your right. In the future, however, don't act so shocked and apalled when someone expresses the exact same sentiments about a person, living or dead.

[Giancarlo]

Like many, the thing I utterly hate is hatred itself and that hatred of others is what Robertson is preaching.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez


I completely agree.

And I think the same.. he wants me to die? Well.. that has warrented the same judgement from me towards him. On a different note, does anybody really listen to Robertson other than the miniscule religious nutcase minority?

The 700 Club has had a substantial viewership, but it has dwindled significantly over the years. The fact is that most of the intolerants who sopped up Robertson's crap were older, and as they die off, they aren't getting replaced that fast. The Christian Coalition and other fundamentalist groups are suffering similar problems. Coupled with the general increasing societal tolerance, such movements seem destined for the fringe. But I wouldn't dismiss their power just yet. They can still muster enough electoral muscle to get Republicans in a tizzy over them.

[Giancarlo]

Boris, many democrats are also associated with religious fringe groups. Not only republicans. So stop with sweeping generalizations.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Oh lord, is that the excuse you're going with? That you were justified in attacking Sava for his comments, because you needed to protect the family of Strom Thurmond? I seriously doubt the family was going to see a post on Apolyton. Come off it.

Oh, your vendetta gets funnier and funnier!

Your selective memory is amazing, as well. You'll note that my major complaint against Sava wasn't that he was just celebrating, but he was doing so after he was asked to stop and was disrupting the tone of the thread, which I had established as being a bit more respectful. I was hoping to get some serious discussion on Strom's impact and legacy, not sophomoric cheers. I didn't "attack" Sava for celebrating, just said I found it distasteful. I did get on him when continued to act like a jackass, which was disruptive.

Whether or not the family sees the comments is irrelevant. Robertson will probably not see what I wrote here, nor will it have one iota of impact on whether or not he actually lives or dies. So by that logic, where's the problem?

Fine, preach your hatred all you want. It's your right. In the future, however, don't act so shocked and apalled when someone expresses the exact same sentiments about a person, living or dead.

Oh such noble sentiments! Look, I stand behing my consistency. I'm just surprised you don't have the guts to admit there are folks you'd like to see kick the bucket. I have no shame in admitting there are a few (very few) people I think would make the world nicer by croaking. I certainly don't see it as inconsistent with believing celebrating their deaths is inappropriate.

Anyway, I expect you to be all over people who cheer for Saddam's death, or Bin Laden's, or whatever now. Wouldn't want to see you exposed to your own accusations of hypocrisy!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
Boris, many democrats are also associated with religious fringe groups. Not only republicans. So stop with sweeping generalizations.

Compare the amount of clout the Religious Right has with the GOP as opposed to the Democrats.

The GOP still has to pander to the RR, especially in the Bible Belt. The Democrats aren't under such obligations, as they've resigned themselves to losing those votes anyway.

There are a few Democrats, once again mostly in the Bible Belt, who are in the RR's clutches, sure. But their numbers are pale in comparison to similarly-indebted Republicans, and on a national level the RR is solely a factor in the GOP's platform and vote-mustering.

[Drake Tungsten]

Wouldn't want to see you exposed to your own accusations of hypocrisy!

I've never gotten on anybody for wishing for or celebrating the deaths of others, so it isn't hypocritical of me to say that I wish Osama bin Laden were dead.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I've never gotten on anybody for wishing for or celebrating the deaths of others, so it isn't hypocritical of me to say that I wish Osama bin Laden were dead.

I'll see what David Floyd has to say about that.