Berlusconi now completely mad - should Germany invade?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by BeBro


Half of the European press including the most serious sources call him that way often, except of course his own media....but maybe that is all part of the evil conspiracy against poor Silvio, as mentioned by him while he appeared at the court in Italy before his little immunity law saved him from such unamusing things....

Also, except of course in his own media, his latest "joke" got a negative echo, not only in left newspapers....

so enough newspapers call Shulz a kapo that makes it OK? either these comments are acceptable or they arent.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
I would say that the Lybians and Ethiopians whom the Italians gassed in the 20's and 30's would think higly of the morality of Italian soldiers.

I didnt say they were perfect, but that they were far better than the wehrmacht. Are you denying that?

[BeBMan]

I´ll ask Markos if we Germans could have a special permition to use nazi avatars since any poster here must be warned of so much evil-doers

[Ecthy]

anymore is not quite cool, it hadn't happened before. and there really wasn't too much resistance, not from young people either. of course you can't resist arrestation from a group of well exercised gestapo guys, but you cannot tell what a bit of organised resistance, like in the ghetto or even among the french civilian population, would have changed

BTW, we've seen that Americans are largely advocates of the fascist and especially national socialist system, "because as a white person you had to fear nothing and your life was so wonderful". as an American you can't tell me how to deal with the past

thanks for the sig space.

[GePap]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
I didnt say they were perfect, but that they were far better than the wehrmacht. Are you denying that?

In their treatment of those deemed undesireables by the nazi regime? most certainly. In the ability to wage war? certainly not.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap
The Italians might have been more morally upright, but the discussion is who would win in a fight, and no one can say (if one assumes for some reason that perfomances in WW2 somehow can tell us what the current outcome would be) that the Italians would even slow the Germans down.

a meaningless what if and idiotic assumptions. In 1943 italians were unenthusiastic for war (more credit to them) while Germans were enthusiastic (more shame) Italians had obsolete weapons, and many soldiers were illiterate. Italy today is educationally much closer to GErmany, and in a german invasion the Italians would be fighting with nationalist enthusiam, and the germans would not. In addition the germans would have to cross the alps, no easy feat.

so i took it not as a serious what if, but as simply a nasty remark about the italian army. To which i responded. Have you followed ecthelions posts about Jews in WW2. He seems to have some fairly far out ideas about what is honorable.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
so enough newspapers call Shulz a kapo that makes it OK? either these comments are acceptable or they arent.

Schulz said this Attila and godfather stuff? Can you give me a source for this?

And even if he did, calling him a Nazi is just a pathetic reaction for a leader of a state. As a professional politician he should know that everything he babbles has more diplomatic impact.

[Ecthy]

godfather? he IS one, everyone knows he's observed by mafia hunters, with less than christian results so far...

[GePap]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
a meaningless what if and idiotic assumptions.

So why get involved?

so i took it not as a serious what if, but as simply a nasty remark about the italian army. To which i responded. Have you followed ecthelions posts about Jews in WW2. He seems to have some fairly far out ideas about what is honorable.

I don;t give a rats ass about what Echtelion posts about Jews in WW2. He can wallow in his willing ignorace all he wants. As for 'nasty remarks about the italian army', it is a common steryotype which, unfortunitely for the Italians, is built on thier sub-par reformance last time they had to fight a major war. They havne't really done anyting since then, and I never hear anyone, even Italians, speak about their martial prowless.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
anymore is not quite cool, it hadn't happened before. and there really wasn't too much resistance, not from young people either. of course you can't resist arrestation from a group of well exercised gestapo guys, but you cannot tell what a bit of organised resistance, like in the ghetto or even among the french civilian population, would have changed

BTW, we've seen that Americans are largely advocates of the fascist and especially national socialist system, "because as a white person you had to fear nothing and your life was so wonderful". as an American you can't tell me how to deal with the past

thanks for the sig space.

well i dont go around saying that blacks are sneaky cause they didnt resist enough. If any american did so, id call them a racist.

And of course ive never said anything like your quote above. If someone did say that, take it up with them. I dont blame all germans for what you say - only you (though it might be appropriate if germans replying to this thread replied to you, instead of ignoring you)

Bastard. Nazi.

[Ecthy]

who was ever talking about blacks?

and your unbased insults are getting stereotypical

instead of telling me to take "it" up with someone else: if you don't like it, stop ranting

you probably don't get many opportunities to talk to other people, otherwise you'd know how to stay polite.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap


. As for 'nasty remarks about the italian army', it is a common steryotype which, unfortunitely for the Italians, is built on thier sub-par reformance last time they had to fight a major war. They havne't really done anyting since then, and I never hear anyone, even Italians, speak about their martial prowless.

It is a common stereotype, which is why i replied. It is untrue as far as WW1 is concerned, as per John Keegan, in his one volume history of world war 1. Im less familiar with the italians in WW2, but think their poor performance was explained by a variety of factors - one of which was their lack of national enthusiasm for the war - which ought not to be considered something shameful, especially by the Germans here.

And I dont think that many people know about the noble acts of the Italian army during the war, and i think its worth letting people know.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
who was ever talking about blacks?

and your unbased insults are getting stereotypical

instead of telling me to take "it" up with someone else: if you don't like it, stop ranting

you probably don't get many opportunities to talk to other people, otherwise you'd know how to stay polite.

i dont get many opportunities to talk to nazis and dont know how to be polite with them.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
....(though it might be appropriate if germans replying to this thread replied to you, instead of ignoring you) ....

If that goes to me - no, I see no reason to reply to Andy, since he´s obviously trolling. And that is not something never seen before....

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by BeBro


Schulz said this Attila and godfather stuff? Can you give me a source for this?

And even if he did, calling him a Nazi is just a pathetic reaction for a leader of a state. As a professional politician he should know that everything he babbles has more diplomatic impact.

From the Washington Post

'Green leader Monica Frassoni likened Berlusconi to Attila the Hun, whose barbarian hordes ravished Europe in the 5th century without regard for the law.

"Many people have been worried at your arrival, as an 'Attila of the Union,'" Frassoni said. "Political power, I'm afraid, leads to temptations to be above the law."'

So it was Frassoni, not Shultz. An italian (?) but leader of the euro-greens - any outrage by german or other greens? Or by schulz?

The godfather thing i dont have a good cite for handy right now. IIUC it was part of heckling by a large number of MEP's.