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  • Conservative Hypocrisy... again... AA vs Charities

    I was thinking about these two stories (Affirmative Action and the whole charity discrimination thing). Most conservatives take the position that Affirmative Action is bad because it discriminates against white people. As if there are white people whose lives get ruined because they were passed up due to AA. OH PLEASE!!?! As a white person, you will get many other opprotunities. God forbid we attempt to even the playing field by giving minorities a chance. But alas, conservatives feel this is a great injustice.

    I posted a story not too long ago about a bill that would allow charitable organizations to discriminate based upon religion. Most conservatives support it.

    This little observation of mine is in no way related to anyone on theses forums. I'm making a silly generalization. But while watching all the talking head news commentary shows that I watch, I've seen these two discussions taking place with the more conservative person taking the forementioned stances on these respective issues.

    So basically, I'm just bragging that I exposed hypocrisy.

    My stance is simple. I think discrimination is bad. My solution to the problem of inequality wouldn't include affirmative action. But since people aren't willing to fix the problem at the root, I support affirmative action because, while discrimination based on race, white or black, is wrong... the inequality of opprotunity that African Americans face far outweighs the injustice done to white people in terms of AA. My solution would be to equalize the education system in America. But conservatives would be far more opposed to that than affirmative action.

    As for the charity/education issue... discrimination is bad. And allowing discrimination in that case wouldn't have any advantages. In fact, by allowing it, these charities would be diluting their talent pool. There is no greater good in this case.

    To us, it is the BEAST.

  • #2
    i don't like aa, and i'm not white or conservative.
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    • #3
      But since people aren't willing to fix the problem at the root, I support affirmative action because, while discrimination based on race, white or black, is wrong
      Way to bend over and take it like a man

      I agree the "conservatives" are shooting themselves in the foot with this one. Any time you base anything on race you open the door for segregation and racism... Maybe the "conservatives" feel that by basing charity on religion that they are washing their hands of the issue, and passing the race card over to the religions...?
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      • #4
        i don't like aa, and i'm not white or conservative.
        do you support discrimination against religion?

        don't make the mistake of thinking I'm saying everyone opposed to AA is white or conservative. I'm opposed to AA, but only support it because it's the least that we are able to do.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          My solution would be to equalize the education system in America. But conservatives would be far more opposed to that than affirmative action
          Not True! I am conservative and opposed to discrimination based on race. I am definately FOR more equality in education and educational spending.

          The discrimination in charities is not race based. These are two different arguments and thus not hypocritical to take oposing positions.

          For example, I am against discrimination in University admissions based upon race, but I am not against discrimination based upon intellectual ability.
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          • #6
            do you support discrimination against religion?

            no, not in the sense described above. bush's plan wasn't the best. if he were to open up public funding for faith-based initiatives, which i have no problem with, he should keep granting funds to secular establishments as well--including those that give support to things that go against the religious organizations (i.e., abortion, birth control).

            don't make the mistake of thinking I'm saying everyone opposed to AA is white or conservative.

            it sounded like it at first. mea culpa.
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            • #7
              Affirmative Action is bad because it discriminates against white people.
              So I don't count as "conservative?"

              I argue that AA is bad because it hurts black people.

              Please continue squashing the straw man. It's quite entertaining to see a huge bulldozer plowing through soft straw.
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              • #8
                Sava, you don't know what you're talking about.

                Seriously, I'm against affirmative action but I don't think there is one person on this forum who has is more for equalized education than I am. Whenever I have posted my views on the subject I've been considered incredibly extremist.
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                • #9
                  equalized education
                  I think the key word is "equal"... It something that both sides of our government has decided to redefine to suit their own needs, and in the process have demolished the true meaning of the word...
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                  • #10
                    Well, if AA is a necessary evil to compensate for past wrongs and the present difficulties of minorities, shouldn't our universities be giving "comes from a poor family" credits as well? People shouldn't be rewarded for their own crappy luck.
                    I don't think the religion question is as big as you make it out to be either. Ideological discrimination happens all the time, and not being able to get the low-income, no-benefits position of a charity worker doesn't look like a crippling blow to anyone anyway. In principle it's probably wrong, but how does it really affect anyone?
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                    • #11
                      More thoughts popped into my head....

                      Are race and religion the same thing? According to you, does race even exist? Can one not simply lie about religion in a job interview? Can they do the same about their race? (Furthermore - can they if it "DOESN'T EXIST")?

                      You've basically exposed what a sap you are for mix and matching completely irrelevant topics. What the **** do your parents pay your tuition for?
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                      • #12
                        Well, if AA is a necessary evil to compensate for past wrongs and the present difficulties of minorities, shouldn't our universities be giving "comes from a poor family" credits as well?
                        I think so

                        Article in this thread here

                        Apocalypse: Is this going to be another "does race exist" thread?

                        Anyway, I am reminded of the dentist on Seinfeld who Jerry believes became a Jew so he could tell the jokes.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Japher
                          Apocalypse: Is this going to be another "does race exist" thread?
                          I have no idea, but it isn't the point of my post.
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                          • #14
                            Dear lord. I was joking. Dude, that's absurd. So you get accepted over a more qualified applicant because you have no money? WTF?
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                            • #15
                              Fine.

                              Race and religion are not the same thing. Especially since someone can "convert" from one to the other at the drop of the hat. Some ppl will argue that race doesn't exist, that it is a social construct not worthy of attention. I believe that saying race is a social construct is a nice comment because promotes equality and ignores the defining lines between races. Yet, many people who uphold this idealology of eqaulity will turn around and demand benefits for equality in the form of AA to off-set all the years of oppression. They demand retribution. Should religions also demand such retribution? Heck, if it is being given out they might as well take it. That is what I say. Yet, as long as such policies are in place that ideology of equality will never be obtained.
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