Apple launches the PowerMac G5

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Any hardware or software product that is not avaiable to buy by the general public is vapourware.

If you can't buy it, it isn't ready yet.

You're confusing "unreleased' and "vapourware".

Vapourware is Intel's Tejas, Team Fortress 2, Duke Nukem Forever, etc.

vaporware /vay'pr-weir/ n.

Products announced far in advance of any release (which may or may not actually take place). See also brochureware.

--The Jargon File version 4.3.1, ed. ESR, autonoded by rescdsk.

Then you can understand when other people pi55 on your arguments.

Certainly, it means they have no argument.

As is the case here.

I see. So you feel that by starting this thread, you can dictate what people post in it.

If it's offtopic it's called a threadjack.

And yeah, that's how it works on Apolyton.

No, again you misunderstand me. What I implied was that your arguments were tech heavy and totally ignored the needs of the real world ("real world empty").

My arguments had no relevance with the needs of the real world.

Please explain to me why the needs of the real world has anything to do with Apple lying incessantly in their marketing?

Spot the lamer who is scared of talking to processors.

I'm not scared, it's just that any codemonkey with a college diploma can write good assembly code.

I'm talking problemsolving, something I can tell you have immense troubles with.

Or if you wanna go low-level, why don't we see who can write the most efficient VS2.0 code for a waving-in-the-wind logo of Apolyton? OpenGL or Direct3D, your call.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Show me the $!!!

I did...I linked to the PDF and quoted the relevant sections which showed how Apple cheated to prop up the G5's marks and crippled the P4 to lower its.

The proof is all right in Veritest's publically available PDF, which I linked to and quoted a while ago. Scroll up, find it.

On the contrary, either of us might have gotten our asses kicked. I'm not saying I'm right and your wrong. I'm saying your hypothesis could be wrong.

My "hypothesis" is not wrong, because it's clearly evidenced in 1st-party documents by Veritest, who conducted those tests...

So you did get your ass kicked. Hours ago. And it still hasn't sunk in yet.

Read the PDF. Read the bolded/quoted stuff I provided.

Then ask if my "hypothesis" is incorrect...

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Asher

You're confusing "unreleased' and "vapourware".

Vapourware is Intel's Tejas, Team Fortress 2, Duke Nukem Forever, etc.

[q]vaporware /vay'pr-weir/ n.

Products announced far in advance of any release (which may or may not actually take place). See also brochureware.

And the G5 hasn't been released, which is what makes it vapourware.

Originally posted by Asher

If it's offtopic it's called a threadjack.

And yeah, that's how it works on Apolyton.

I see no mods accusing me of a threadjack. I do see an Asher who realises he's been arguing the toss for days for absolutely no reason.

Originally posted by Asher
My arguments had no relevance with the needs of the real world.

Sig material!

Originally posted by Asher
Please explain to me why the needs of the real world has anything to do with Apple lying incessantly in their marketing?

Because anybody or any company that ignores the real world is in serious need of help?

Originally posted by Asher

I'm not scared, it's just that any codemonkey with a college diploma can write good assembly code.

I'm talking problemsolving, something I can tell you have immense troubles with.

Which would run faster, your compiled crap or my assembled crap? And speed does seem pretty important to you.

Originally posted by Asher
Or if you wanna go low-level, why don't we see who can write the most efficient VS2.0 code for a waving-in-the-wind logo of Apolyton? OpenGL or Direct3D, your call.

That's not programming. Gee, I'd have thought you'd known what programming was. Hardly a real world problem is it? Who has the coolest waving flag?

Good night Asher.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cruddy
And the G5 hasn't been released, which is what makes it vapourware.

Did you read the definition?
Vapourware != unreleased.
Vapourware is stuff that's promised in the longterm future...not within a couple months.

I see no mods accusing me of a threadjack. I do see an Asher who realises he's been arguing the toss for days for absolutely no reason.

The mods wouldn't dare read this dry crap unless someone reported it. And I'm not the type to tattle.

Because anybody or any company that ignores the real world is in serious need of help?

Words cannot describe how pathetic this argument is.
So you're saying chemists cannot discuss any of their work unless they directly relate it to the real world?

Which would run faster, your compiled crap or my assembled crap? And speed does seem pretty important to you.

I can write both, buddy.
And how about we make that a contest, then?
I'll write, say, Dijkstra's algorithm in C, you write it in x86 assembler.

Betcha I can make mine faster.

I've got map data for European cities & highways in a textfile format to build your graph from, then we can find the shortest distance between two major cities.

That's not programming. Gee, I'd have thought you'd known what programming was. Hardly a real world problem is it? Who has the coolest waving flag?

Um. Do you have any idea what vertex shader code is?
Hint: It's assembler, for GPUs.

It certainly is programming. It deals with matricies, color calculations, etc.

Short sample:

; Inputs:   v0   = Position
;           v1   = Normal
;           c0   = Useful constants (0,xxx,xxx,xxx)
;           c1-4 = WorldView matrix
;           c5-9 = WorldViewProjection matrix

vs.1.0                             ; Shader version 1.0
m4x4    r0   , v0   , c1           ; r0 = View space position
m3x3    r1   , v1   , c1           ; r1 = View space normal
m4x4    oPos , v0   , c5           ; Spit out projected position
dp3     r2.x , r0   , r0           ; Normalize r0 (position)
rsq     r2.x , r2.x
mul     r0   , r0   , r2.x
dp3     r3.x , r0   , -r1          ; Compute dot product
mad     oD0.w, r3.x , c0.y , c0.y  ; Scale to [0,1] and make alpha
mov     oD0.xyz     , c0.x         ; Diffuse RGB is 0

"Not programming" my ass. Shows what you old-timers really know about today's technology.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Asher

Did you read the definition?
Vapourware != unreleased.
Vapourware is stuff that's promised in the longterm future...not within a couple months.

What's the bet the release date slips?

Originally posted by Asher
The mods wouldn't dare read this dry crap unless someone reported it. And I'm not the type to tattle.

Seeing as how you weighed in the with the personal remarks, there's no way you're going blubbing to a mod.

Originally posted by Asher
Words cannot describe how pathetic this argument is.
So you're saying chemists cannot discuss any of their work unless they directly relate it to the real world?

Yep. Chemists who talk about chemicals that haven't
been discovered yet are really up that creek.

Originally posted by Asher
I can write both, buddy.
And how about we make that a contest, then?
I'll write, say, Dijkstra's algorithm in C, you write it in x86 assembler.

Betcha I can make mine faster.

No. Level playing feld or none at all.

Originally posted by Asher

Um. Do you have any idea what vertex shader code is?
Hint: It's assembler, for GPUs.

It certainly is programming. It deals with matricies, color calculations, etc.

Short sample:

; Inputs:   v0   = Position
;           v1   = Normal
;           c0   = Useful constants (0,xxx,xxx,xxx)
;           c1-4 = WorldView matrix
;           c5-9 = WorldViewProjection matrix

vs.1.0                             ; Shader version 1.0
m4x4    r0   , v0   , c1           ; r0 = View space position
m3x3    r1   , v1   , c1           ; r1 = View space normal
m4x4    oPos , v0   , c5           ; Spit out projected position
dp3     r2.x , r0   , r0           ; Normalize r0 (position)
rsq     r2.x , r2.x
mul     r0   , r0   , r2.x
dp3     r3.x , r0   , -r1          ; Compute dot product
mad     oD0.w, r3.x , c0.y , c0.y  ; Scale to [0,1] and make alpha
mov     oD0.xyz     , c0.x         ; Diffuse RGB is 0

"Not programming" my ass. Shows what you old-timers really know about today's technology.

It's got evalutaors? It can jump? It can loop? It can take real world input?

Coding isn't programming, boy.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Yep. Chemists who talk about chemicals that haven't
been discovered yet are really up that creek.

Oh my God.
That's not what your argument was.
The hardware I was discussing have been invented and discovered, yet for some reason it doesn't constitute the "real world" unless I talk about direct impact to people.

Face it, it's a bull**** argument of yours. Societal impact/real world is not needed, particularly in academic discussion about hardware where techy-geeks are interested purely in technology.

No. Level playing feld or none at all.

Why? Assembler has the advantage with assembly, it's me who's disadvantaged!

It's got evalutaors? It can jump? It can loop?

Yes, yes, yes. (The last two are redundant btw )

It can take real world input?

Depends how you define it. It can take dynamic input, so yes.

Coding isn't programming, boy.

It absolutely is.
Programming isn't software engineering.

Programming is the process of writing code, syn: coding.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Asher

Oh my God.
That's not what your argument was.
The hardware I was discussing have been invented and discovered, yet for some reason it doesn't constitute the "real world" unless I talk about direct impact to people.

Face it, it's a bull**** argument of yours. Societal impact/real world is not needed, particularly in academic discussion about hardware where techy-geeks are interested purely in technology.

You used the analogy of chemistry. I pointed out that chemists deal with real world elements and known theory - not what is down the road in a couple of months.

Originally posted by Asher
Why? Assembler has the advantage with assembly, it's me who's disadvantaged!

Because then you've got an excuse for losing.

Originally posted by Asher
Yes, yes, yes. (The last two are redundant btw )

Loops and jumps redundant? My, aren't WE spoiled for memory?

Try doing that on a dedicated setup where you've only got a few K of RAM to play with. Oh I forget, you arguments don't relate to the real world.

Originally posted by Asher

Depends how you define it. It can take dynamic input, so yes.

That's what I was looking for. OK, it's a coding language.

Now tell me how to use to interface with a general purpose IO port and I might agree it's a programming language.

Originally posted by Asher
It absolutely is.
Programming isn't software engineering.

Programming is the process of writing code, syn: coding.

You have that attitude when you leave college and no software house will touch you with a barge poll.

Too many hours on Poly and not enough on study.

I quit Asher. Now you have turned it into a threadjack. So get back to slagging Apple.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Cruddy
Loops and jumps redundant? My, aren't WE spoiled for memory?

Try doing that on a dedicated setup where you've only got a few K of RAM to play with. Oh I forget, you arguments don't relate to the real world.

Actually, yours is the one not dealing with the real world.
All video cards that support Vertex Shaders have at minimum 32MB of high-speed, low-latency RAM.

You accomplish loops by jumping and branching.

Now tell me how to use to interface with a general purpose IO port and I might agree it's a programming language.

You're pretty dense...
It's not a computer interface language -- it runs inside of DirectX or OpenGL. It runs the graphics card as if it's a mini-computer, so it only interfaces with AGP or the graphics card itself.

You have that attitude when you leave college and no software house will touch you with a barge poll.

Too many hours on Poly and not enough on study.

Maybe your definitions are outdated?

Coding is synonymous with programming now. Software engineering is programming w/ problem solving.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Now children, play nice, or you'll get sent to your rooms without your supper. Or your computers.

[Ming]

Damn... beat me to it... sigh

[Asher]

[Asher]

Out of curiousity, did somebody hit the report-to-moderators button in here or are you two intrigued by the G5?

[monolith94]

This thread is too boring to be worthy of a closure. It's like a nerds MBT thread...

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Asher
Out of curiousity, did somebody hit the report-to-moderators button in here or are you two intrigued by the G5?

We're just beat cops. Occasionally, we happen to go through every block on our beats, we just spend more time at some than at others.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by monolith94
This thread is too boring to be worthy of a closure. It's like a nerds MBT thread...

Speaking of MBT threads, this is the cure all:

http://www.tankmuseum.ru/inf.html

TEST DRIVES!!!!

Guess I'll be going to Russia pretty soon.