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They always make their comp sound blazingly fast than it really is. For awhile I thought G3 when it came out was really awesome. It was awesome, but not as much as I thoguht it was.
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G3 was still alot better than the mac chips before it though. I was satisfied.
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they're sexy.
but the problem is, these macs are like the rich b|tch that every guy wants, but can't afford because she wants you for your money.
in any case, i'm happy with my delightful machine now.B♭3Comment
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Nonsense! The truth will come out as soon as spec.org posts the benchmarks of the new PowerMac G5 on it's website.Originally posted by Asher
Yeah, once again their numbers are fishy.
For example:
P4 Xeon 3.06GHz: http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/...07-02060.html: SPECINTBase: 1089
not 836 like they say on their page.
Apple never changes...
HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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VERY good read: http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
Apple user pissed off at Apple for deliberately misleading people about the G5's speed.
Familiar tune.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Seen it - the guy is full of **** and has been widely refuted elsewhere.Originally posted by Asher
VERY good read: http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/
Apple user pissed off at Apple for deliberately misleading people about the G5's speed.
Familiar tune.
Part of his mistake is purposely ignoring the DP.
The only familiar tune playing here is yours.Only feebs vote.Comment
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apple = lameTo us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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The good thing about this is that no matter what, Apple has the fastest 64-bit personal computer on the planet; but not just that, but the only 64-bit personal computer on the planet. AMD will be releasing it's 64-bit Opteron processor in August, but it will only top out at 1.8GHz. Steve Jobs has said that Apple will have 3GHz 64-bit computers in 12 months. It looks IBM and AMD will be fiercly competing in the 64-bit chip market for the next couple of years. Intel will be out of the picture for quite awhile, unless they decide to readopt x86 or invent some kind of miracle technology that will run 32-bit code on a 64-bit chip that is NOT x86 compatible (which is quite unlikely IMO). Eventually, though (if Intel stubbornly continues to use it's IA-64 platform), I think they will slowly emerge as a major competitor in the 64-bit chip market, but that won't happen until 64-bit applications become mainstream. By that time, though, it may be too late for Intel.
HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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Link?Originally posted by Agathon
Seen it - the guy is full of **** and has been widely refuted elsewhere.
He's not ignoring the DP at all. Do you understand how SPECCPU works?Part of his mistake is purposely ignoring the DP.
SPECint2000base and SPECfp2000base are single-processor only. Hence, they only show SP results.
SPECint2000rate and SPECfp2000rate are useful for gauging dual-processor performance, and he includes those as well.
The fact is, Apple intentionally used the slowest compiler they could find for the PC, ran it under the slowest OS they could find, disabled SSE2 optimizations (which is akin to disabling AltiVec), then ran it under the IBM-optimized-for-G5 version of GCC. They guised this under "playing fair", because technically it's the same compiler, nevermind that Intel ignores GCC and develops its own compiler and effectively the PowerPC and x86 GCC compilers are entirely different.
I'd like for you to show me a refutation of this article somewhere, because so far your brief refutation is laughable and very ignorant..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Originally posted by Cloud9
The good thing about this is that no matter what, Apple has the fastest 64-bit personal computer on the planet; but not just that, but the only 64-bit personal computer on the planet. AMD will be releasing it's 64-bit Opteron processor in August, but it will only top out at 1.8GHz.
Apple does not have the fastest 64-bit desktop CPU on the market. AMD's SPEC scores for Opteron already kick the G5's ass.
And you are right, Opteron becomes commercially available in early August and Athlon 64 in early September.
But guess what?
Apple doesn't ship the G5 PowerMacs until September 1st, 2003.
That means Apple doesn't have the only 64-bit PC, let alone the first one.
Intel's roadmaps put Prescott at around 5GHz+ in 12 months.Steve Jobs has said that Apple will have 3GHz 64-bit computers in 12 months. It looks IBM and AMD will be fiercly competing in the 64-bit chip market for the next couple of years.
*sigh*Intel will be out of the picture for quite awhile, unless they decide to readopt x86 or invent some kind of miracle technology that will run 32-bit code on a 64-bit chip that is NOT x86 compatible (which is quite unlikely IMO).
Prescott has x86-64 capability built in, as evidenced from the die shots that we've seen. They remain disabled for political reasons until a 2004 Xeon chip.
Meanwhile, IA-64's x86 support is set to perform equivalently to a ~2.8GHz Pentium 4 in some upcoming chips. Intel's cranking up the x86 speed on the Itaniums because in 2005-2006, IA-64 is coming to the desktop.
And Itaniums are the fastest chips in the world, bar none.
Of course, it'll be too late for Intel.By that time, though, it may be too late for Intel.
Lord knows that they've only got the fastest chip on the market, dominance in the desktop market, fastest growing supercomputer chip manufacturer (set to outpace IBM), growing dominance in the server and workstation industry...
IBM's the one that's a bit scared. It's why they're so desperate to get contracts to manufacture AMD, Apple, Nvidia, etc's chips. They see how Intel is steamrolling over everyone else and want to get their foot in the door."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Have a look around some Mac forums. I'm not going to do your work for you.Originally posted by Asher
Link?
What's laughable is that anyone would take your opinion seriously, given your fanatical support for MS and Intel. In the past you've proved that you'll do anything to support your position - even post evidence from sites without reading them first. All your vaunted computer knowledge is worthless if no-one can take you seriously - and there is good reason not to, since you'll say anything to get your way. So why should this be any different?I'd like for you to show me a refutation of this article somewhere, because so far your brief refutation is laughable and very ignorant...
It's hardly surprising that Apple would want to put the best spin on its products - but hell, every manufacturer does that.
I have no idea how well the G5 performs and I won't until I sit down and use one. I suggest you wait until you see for yourself.Only feebs vote.Comment
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Originally posted by Agathon
Have a look around some Mac forums. I'm not going to do your work for you.
Right...
Face it, no one has debunked it, because it's truth. Mac zealots have, no doubt, attempted it with foolhardy explanations and excuses, but they only debunk it for their own peace of mind.
Take a look at Intel's page -- they don't compare their processors to other competitor's. You know why? Integrity. They realize how shameful it is to distort results to make chips look faster than they actually are, something AMD and Apple both do regularly.It's hardly surprising that Apple would want to put the best spin on its products - but hell, every manufacturer does that.
But I have seen!I have no idea how well the G5 performs and I won't until I sit down and use one. I suggest you wait until you see for yourself.
Here are some real, comparison benchmarks. Using the compilers (Intel, IBM) that real programs will use in the real world. Source for the IBM ones are: http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/t...256C5200611780
SPEC fp 2000 scores:
Pentium 4 3.2GHz: 1252
Athlon XP 3200+: 1044
PowerPC 970: 1051
SPEC int 2000 scores:
Pentium 4 3.2GHz: 1221
Athlon XP 3200+: 873
PowerPC 970: 937
Additional PowerPC 970 benchmarks:
Dhrystone MIPS: 5220
Peak scalar GFLOPS: 7.2
Peak SIMD GFLOPS: 14.4
RC5: 18M keys/sec
Keeping in mind that the G5 will become commercially available at the same time as the new Athlon 64s, and a month before the new Pentium 5 -- it doesn't look all too spectacular, 'specially for the price..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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And why shouldn't they? All versions of X have been cheaper than XP Pro, which is its competitor.Originally posted by Asher
Apple's charging users, again, to upgrade to OS 10.3.
This is a flat out lie. No one had to buy any of them. Your computer will run just fine if you run 10.1 or 10.2. If you upgrade to 10.3 I'm sure that the others won't magically stop working.So that's at least 4 OSes Mac users had to buy in the time period where Windows XP came out and offered free updates.
Moreover, the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 was free. All it cost me was a 2 block walk to the local Mac Store.
Based on the improvements in Jaguar the asking price was well worth it (I got it on a student deal anyway). Panther looks like being an even more radical improvement - even though I'll have to get rid of the awful brushed metal Finder windows.
Meanwhile Windows users have to wait until 2005 (or even 2006) to get a UI with decent graphics and transparency and all the other radical Microsoft "innovations" (or whatever sobriquet they will use for their Quartz ripoff) which OS X has had since day one.
By then Apple will probably have released 2 more versions of OS X and be streaks ahead. I hope you are still posting here then, I'd like a laugh.Only feebs vote.Comment
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How amazing! The G5 isn't commercially available yet and has been news for precisely one day and yet Asher, a CS undergraduate from Calgary, has miraculously been using one himself.Originally posted by Asher
But I have seen!
If you'd given it a couple of weeks for the hype to die down, you might have some credibility.
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Eh? OS X and XP Pro don't compete. 90% of XP users have, and are happy with, XP Home...Originally posted by Agathon
And why shouldn't they? All versions of X have been cheaper than XP Pro, which is its competitor.
LOL!This is a flat out lie. No one had to buy any of them.
Well of course not, Agathon, but it's still ridiculous to charge every year for a new OS.
Ah, my mistake.Moreover, the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 was free. All it cost me was a 2 block walk to the local Mac Store.
Meanwhile Windows users have to wait until 2005 (or even 2006) to get a UI with decent graphics and transparency and all the other radical Microsoft "innovations" (or whatever sobriquet they will use for their Quartz ripoff) which OS X has had since day one.
1) The Windows UI now offers decent graphics, it's your problem if you don't want to change them to something else
2) Windows has offered hardware-accelerated transparency since Windows 2000 (since "day 1"), something it took until OS 10.1 to get.
3) Quartz is analogous to the Windows GDI+, Windows has had that since before OS X has had it. Apple branded it a fancy name and acted like it's some radical innovation, it's not.
4) Look into the Longhorn UI, and you'll see just how incredibly radical it is from OS X's.
5) Look into Longhorn's filesystem, and you'll see just how incredibly radical it is from OS X's.
6) Look at DirectX 10, and see how incredibly radical it is from anything available on OS X.
By then Apple will probably have released 2 more versions of OS X and be streaks ahead. I hope you are still posting here then, I'd like a laugh.
Apple's little additions to OS X have been laughable.
Ohhh, we skinned the finder to look worse. We now bundle X11 with it. We've released a new version of iChat that finally is comparable with MSN Messenger, only we're going to charge you $30 instead of offering it for free. We've finally implemented threadable views in our mail client. We've provided a new update to a free, open source browser...
Give me a break.
Why aren't you discussing all of the stuff Apple ripped off from MS, BTW?
Like shipping a first party webbrowser for the OS?
Like how the new iChat ripped out features blatantly from MSN Messenger?
Like how Panther has Fast User Switching (something XP has had since day one)?
And when will Apple have a customizable user interface like XP?
When will Apple have a journalling filesystem like XP?
When will Apple have a database-based filesystem like Longhorn?
When will Apple completely runs the interface off graphics cards like Longhorn?
There's plenty more stuff for Apple to steal. The thing is, they'll do it with expensive yearly updates while MS will offer in one upgrade in 4-5 years from the XP launch.
Apple robs you, and you don't even care."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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