Canada government: We will legalize gay marriage.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Asher

, and now the f*cking f*ggots want to marry too.

Eloquence.

[Ben Kenobi]

Edit:


Agathon, that's better than what I posted.

[DinoDoc]

You should see him in the anti-MS threads if you want to see Asher at his comedic best. He has the most material to work with in those threads though.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You should see him in the anti-MS threads if you want to see Asher at his comedic best. He has the most material to work with in those threads though.

That's true, his arguments on that topic made me laugh more than once.

But I agree with him on this one.

[Ben Kenobi]

Asher:

Sorry, missed the post:

So tell the government to f*ck off WRT marriage altogether.

Gladly, but as it stands, the state wants to be involved.

If the government is going to be involved with marriage, you cannot discriminate against gay couples. Deal with that.

Like we have a choice to tell off the government. If the government wants to be involved, they will make the rules. It's a ruling based on power, not legitimacy.

It infringes on zero of your rights, it helps a minority which is just now finally getting equal rights under the law.

Good that they are treated equally as persons.
It still does not mean they should be married, by the law as it stands.

What rights do you lose by allowing gay marriage?

None. You do not base a right on what it takes away from other people. You base a right on inherent qualities. Try a different argument, why do homosexuals have the right to marry? Where does this come from?

Gays are incapable of this, how?

By definition, men and women only. Love can take many forms, like my grandmother example that need not lead to marriage. Marriage has more purpose than love, which is why people don't marry grandmothers.

First of all, common law relationships certainly do not entail the same rights as marriage right now. Have you tried to rent a car lately? An unmarried 21-year old male can't rent a car. If he's married, he can. Civil unions don't count. If he's unmarried and under 25, he's forced to pay insane insurance on it. Many insurance policies (like mine) explicitly have clauses in there discussing marriage as a condition for many things, including insurance rates.

So fine the insurance company for discrimination.

The reason they do so is because people who are married are less likely to default on car payments. No discriminatory intent, but mere profit.

Thanks for the inadvertant supporting point for marriage being more stable.

[Asher]

Originally posted by obiwan18
None. You do not base a right on what it takes away from other people. You base a right on inherent qualities.

Why don't you read what you write, then think really hard...

So, why do homosexuals have the right to marry? Better question, why don't homosexuals have the right to marry?

If you make a religious reference, go directly to jail (do not pass go).

By definition, men and women only.

By definition by who?

If you make a religious reference, go directly to jail (do not pass go).

So fine the insurance company for discrimination.

They're well within their right, it's been held up before.

Thanks for the inadvertant supporting point for marriage being more stable.

More stable than what?

People who are married (OR in civil unions, whatever) are far more likely to be more mature. They've settled down, started a life. That's not what's up for contention in this thread, and you're not fooling anyone aside from yourself by trying to steer the thread into that direction.

[History Guy]

I've always thought that marriage was born out of the ancient urge to "be fruitful and multiply", to reproduce. And so it is. That is the basis of heterosexual love and marriage, it produces babies. Heterosexual marriage and sex isn't just a rather pleasant thing, you see, it actually has a purpose.

[Asher]

Circular logic is fun for the whole family.

[Jon Miller]

there are some really ****ed up straights

there are some really nice gays

I think it is better for some gays to raise children than for some straights

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being in a stable monagomous relationship allows you to get the most out of the relationship (and for society)

the social construct of marriage supports stable monogomous relationships

gays should have the benefit of that social construct

Jon Miller
in fact, I would support laws strengthening marriage at the same time I would allow homosexuals to marry

[History Guy]

As you like it, but note that while heterosexual love actually does something, homosexual love just hurts.

[Asher]

I don't know, I think your "heterosexual love" is the one that's hurtful. You're just too ignorant to understand how much.

Which really doesn't surprise me, given the kinds of budding intellectuals that people against gay rights are.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by History Guy
As you like it, but note that while heterosexual love actually does something, homosexual love just hurts.

How would you know? Do you have anything you'd like to confess?

[History Guy]

My word. That's an incredibly brilliant statement. Congratulations.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by History Guy
As you like it, but note that while heterosexual love actually does something, homosexual love just hurts.

Are you a homosexual? If not, then you have no idea what you are talking about now, do ya?

It only hurts the first time. After that, it's quite fun.

[Asher]

Originally posted by History Guy
As you like it, but note that while heterosexual love actually does something, homosexual love just hurts.

To elaborate:

You probably just don't understand anything about it.

Do you know what it's like to grow up in a society, surrounded by family and friends, when everyone assumes you're straight?
Do you know what it's like to be absolutely paranoid about people finding out about you?
Do you know what it's like to fear being disowned because of something you are?
Do you know what it's like to tell your parents that you've lied to them for 19 years?
Do you know what it's like to tell your parents that they won't have grandkids?
Do you know what it's like to go to school in such a hostile environment where people use your sexuality as an insult and know of no other gay people in the entire school?
Do you know what it's like to feel like a freak?
Do you know what it's like to never hold hands with your significant other in public? Never kiss in public?

You don't know what it's like.

So before you brand homosexual love as "hurtful", look very hard at our society which is based around "heterosexual love". Then decide which one is hurtful.

Edit: And now I look like an ass because I misread that comment. I'll leave this post anyway for fun.