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**juhani_kahvi** · June 7, 2003, 17:24

I W0N!!!11!!11!¤#"""!!1

**Panag** · June 7, 2003, 17:37

Re: Why dosent God just pop up and say "Hi"?

Originally posted by Angelo Scotto
He did...
and we killed him.

hi ,

, that was his son , .....

have a nice day

**Rasbelin** · June 7, 2003, 18:18

Originally posted by juhani_kahvi
I W0N!!!11!!11!¤#"""!!1

[spiritual freak mode] It's your confession and you're ought to follow it, Eepa. [/spiritual freak mode]

Indeed, what you two are basically speaking of is one's personal belief, which can't be debated as no one is wrong and everyone is right with their personal confession. I myself find myself as a mixture of neo Christian Hindu Atheist elements and no one can say I'm wrong. On the original question, which was asked by Vesayen in the thread title, I would say that God doesn't pop-up and say "Hi", because he has either decided to leave the destiny into the hands of the mankind and aid a little bit with Moses, Jesus and several other "messangers", or he's controlling everything (however not as Jean Calvin speculated). I will leave that as an open question, because I'm not living for my faith. If I would do so, I maybe then waste several hundred lines to speculate the issue in depth.

Panag,

you're speaking against your own Judaist confession now by saying Jesus was son of God (i.e. Messiah).

**Panag** · June 7, 2003, 18:25

Originally posted by Asuka

[spiritual freak mode] It's your confession and you're ought to follow it, Eepa. [/spiritual freak mode]

Indeed, what you two are basically speaking of is one's personal belief, which can't be debated as no one is wrong and everyone is right with their personal confession. I myself find myself as a mixture of neo Christian Hindu Atheist elements and no one can say I'm wrong. On the original question, which was asked by Vesayen in the thread title, I would say that God doesn't pop-up and say "Hi", because he has either decided to leave the destiny into the hands of the mankind and aid a little bit with Moses, Jesus and several other "messangers", or he's controlling everything (however not as Jean Calvin speculated). I will leave that as an open question, because I'm not living for my faith. If I would do so, I maybe then waste several hundred lines to speculate the issue in depth.

Panag,

you're speaking against your own Judaist confession now by saying Jesus was son of God (i.e. Messiah).

hi ,

how can it be against my faith , ..... we dont even see him as the son , ..... but according to other faiths its the son of the "big chief" , ..... so how can i speak against my own religion , i just respect other people's religion and the way they think , ......

have a great day

**Rasbelin** · June 7, 2003, 18:39

Panag,

yes, you do have a point.

Have a good night!

**St Leo** · June 7, 2003, 23:57

Originally posted by Zero
No but he's god so he can determine what is fair or not.

his house, his rules.

Ugh.

Whose house does God occupy? UberGod's? Whose house does UberGod occupy?

Seriously, the Universe just is. We know how much of it works, though certain esoteric specifics are still elusive. Life's whatever you make of it.

We don't need religion for behavioural instruction either. I was raised on the Greek Myths, Hans Christian Andersen, and Brother Grimm and turned out fine. I help people and am rather polite in my interactions. Saying that the Bible 0wnZ Andersen because it's older is akin to saying that A Trip to the Moon (1902) 0wnZ The Matrix because it's older.

Yes, you can fit a rectangular God into the hole that is our unknown, but you can also fit a triangular one, an octagonal one, and as many dodecahedronal ones as you would care for. I can understand doing it for kicks, but please don't take it seriously.

**Urban Ranger** · June 7, 2003, 23:58

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
Which religion is that then? I have never heard of it....

That sounds like Christianity. They even keep saying, "Our Father in Heaven...", or something similar to it.

**Cruddy** · June 8, 2003, 00:14

Originally posted by juhani_kahvi
Cruddy:

-SNIP-

....Of course you can choose to start thinking or stop thinking, but that is not free will. That is a decision based on the information you already have, and taking the information you have and your brain structure into account, no other decision could have been made.

Ah, but I can choose to actively think on something (logical consideration of problems) or I can choose to meditate instead (actively discouraging free thought, which often results in a subconcious idea surfacing).

Where does this "choice" come from? I'm deliberately limiting the argument (as are you) inside the mind, because if you start taking outside influences into consideration, free will does diminish - the attitudes of others comes into play. It doesn't extinguish completely but few people are truly free thinkers.

**Uncle Sparky** · June 8, 2003, 00:26

What if God popped up and said "Bonjour !" instead of "Hi !" ? ... or what if He said "Hi !" in Pushtu ? Wouldn't that bugger up a lot of Americentric fundamentalists ?

**Cruddy** · June 8, 2003, 00:29

Originally posted by juhani_kahvi
There are many things in nature which seem stupid at first,...
... Perhaps you know that also lemmings (ahh the computer game

) make mass suicides,

Complete myth. Start googling and find out about this - I would post links but I suspect my computer's been adware'd again and I don't want to cross infect other people's computers (again! Sigh...)

**Ted Striker** · June 8, 2003, 00:31

Forget about God let's talk about ZOD

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**Uncle Sparky** · June 8, 2003, 00:48

I can't find the exact quote, but didn't Douglas Adams point out that faith is a prerequisite to God's existence and that if He were to show up one day and say "HI", thus proving He Exists, He would disappear in a puff of logic ?

Therefore if God unequivically established His existence, faith would no longer be needed... and without faith, God doesn't exist !

**Urban Ranger** · June 8, 2003, 01:31

Originally posted by Uncle Sparky
What if God popped up and said "Bonjour !" instead of "Hi !" ? ... or what if He said "Hi !" in Pushtu ? Wouldn't that bugger up a lot of Americentric fundamentalists ?

Com'on, God will appear to everybody at the same time, speaking in their own native languages.

**Angelo Scotto** · June 8, 2003, 02:37

Originally posted by juhani_kahvi

I sure did not mean that the brain is a machine in the same manner as a car is.

where i told you a similar thing? Turing was not a car vendor, ok, not last time i checked...

Originally posted by juhani_kahvi
And you can forget about classical mechanics, too, since they are not very useful when examining brains.

i believe i'm starting to understand...
No, look, for classical mechanics i mean pre-1925 physics, you know, mechanicism, the "system behavior can be determined by knowing initial state and external forces acting on it" thing.

Originally posted by juhani_kahvi
I DO KNOW that brains do not fuction the same way as computers do. But on a deeper, logical level, it seems necessary that brain works SYSTEMATICALLY: it receives information, processes it according to it's structure and controls the body according to the processed information.

It seems you've depicted an algorithm here, if it's an algorithm, according to Church, it can be implemented in a Turing Machine (i.e. a computer), but here is the error: a brain and a Turing machine ARE different and the difference IS exactly on logical level!

Originally posted by panag

, that was his son , .....

NO WAY!

There was that Trinity thing: one God, three persons !

**LoneWolf** · June 8, 2003, 02:43

Asuka- You're wrong. There, I said it.
UR- Your anti-Americanism is truly spectacular, beyond what would be expected. You must be the hero of your friends.

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