Happy Tiananmen Square Massacre Day

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Hueij :
What evil has Thomas Alva Edison ever done to you ?

Spiff, I'm dissointed. You are French but the first thing you come with is Edison? Alva was a Spanish governor of the Netherlands and one of the mayor reasons we started our 80 years independance war...

[Giancarlo]

Okay sorry Dinodoc.. I am gonna eat now.. dinner time for me.. Templar.. respond all you want.. I am not talking to you anymore.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Fez


True communists don't want any economy. In fact the word economy to them is capitalist.

"Economy" does not equate with "free market economy", hence the qualifier "free market". Communism, socialism, capitalism are all economic theories (really more like dogmas when you get down to it). Economics is about resource allocation, maximizing plural values, and resolving issues of scarcity. And there is mor than one way to accomplish these goals.

I am afraid Dino Doc is right. You are an idiot.

[Giancarlo]

I am not the idiot templar.. you are.. Thus I am not responding to you anymore and you earned a good spot on my ignore list as being the brainless person you are. Congrats.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Ranskaldan:

I don't know the specific demands of the Tian An Men protestors, so I won't discuss your assertion that they would have brought unfathomable chaos to China (i.e I think you are probably right)

However, even if those people were unreasonable, it was still outrageous to have slaughtered 7000 of them ! When a regime disagrees with people, there are other ways to ignore them -we in the EU have plenty .

The massacre was outrageous no matter of the message held by the protestors and I'm surprised that you defend it

I don't like defending this either, but unfortunately I can't stomach the idea of China collapsing into a semi-Zaire-like hell.

I suppose there might have been other ways out of this - and I'll look this up further.

[alva]

Spiff, I'm dissointed. You are French but the first thing you come with is Edison? Alva was a Spanish governor of the Netherlands and one of the mayor reasons we started our 80 years independance war...

I thought this would come up someday (btw: he not going to win any popularity polls here either), but he has absolutely nothing to do with my nick.
It's an acronym for my real name and that's all it is, secondly, I'm sure that going through the namelist, you'll find more then one nero, Ceasar, Napoleon, Mao etc.
If I would have included duke or something I'd understand your POV, doesn't make much sence now I'm affraid.
(other then it's a couple of centuries ago)
[end threadjack]

[Spiffor]

You have just written a two-liner DD. I haven't seen such a long post from you in a long time

[alva]

Thus I am not responding to you anymore and you earned a good spot on my ignore list as being the brainless person you are. Congrats.

Yes, you are Replucan!!. Have a problem, just ignore it and it will go away.(you could do the last part with an Homer voice for a more sarcastic effect )
(me thinks I'm getting better every day at american politics )

[Spiffor]

Thx for the info Hueij. I actually never heard of Alva before. I viciously suck at pre-19th century history

[Hueij]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Wrong in what way?

Promise me not to laugh...

In the 70's, when I was a student at Nijmegen University (the most left-wing university in the Netherlands during that time) we actually thought that the Chinese Cultural Revolution was the best thing that ever happened to China. Never mind the millions of people dead (though we didn't know that at the time). And although the Rote Armee Faction killed innocent people, their goal was just. I supported the Surinam junta, finally an ex-colony taking matters into their own hands. Two years later they executed the whole opposition "while they tried to escape".

In short, being a Eurocommie isn't easy, a lot of killing in the name of your ideals...

[Hueij]

I thought this would come up someday (btw: he not going to win any popularity polls here either), but he has absolutely nothing to do with my nick.
It's an acronym for my real name and that's all it is, secondly, I'm sure that going through the namelist, you'll find more then one nero, Ceasar, Napoleon, Mao etc.
If I would have included duke or something I'd understand your POV, doesn't make much sence now I'm affraid.
(other then it's a couple of centuries ago)
[end threadjack]

Damn... I really thought you picked that handle to piss off us Dutch and that I was the only one who realised it...

[MrFun]

Now THIS is an oxymoron thread title.

[Shadowstrike]

Its also pretty ironic that they chose to massacre protestors in the "Gate of Heavenly Peace". Anyhow..

*gives a moment of silence for the victims of Tiananmen Square*

[DanS]

In the 70's, when I was a student at Nijmegen University (the most left-wing university in the Netherlands during that time) we actually thought that the Chinese Cultural Revolution was the best thing that ever happened to China.

Whoa!!!

Re Ranskaldan's defense, it's pretty pathetic since it relies on a straw man.

Re the massacre, it makes me sad. The Chinese communist bastard dictators are certainly not an enlightened lot.

[GePap]

The discussion in this thread fater I made my little comment is so indicative of why crap like this happens: excuses, excuses.

The leader of China at this point had already decreed that getting rich was wonderfull. Obviousy the Chinese Communist Party threw away the Little Red Books in name long before this massacre. What the student were protesting for was not capitalism and free trade and investement, what they wanted was democracy. That day was a battle between those yearning for political freedom and those wanting to maintain political control: how they though the economy of the country should be handled, well, irrelevant (and given that China's leaders then and now are more than willing to let the free market rule, certainly it was not their demand of centralized planning that made them send tanks in). So as I said, it was an example of what authoritarian dictatorships can do.