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  • #31
    Originally posted by Fez


    Yes on Franco.. Videla absolutely not.. he didn't do anything for Argentina besides murder. And Pinochet.. well he murdered people.. but he did good for the Chilean economy.
    Yep, all is well... Keep up the economy even if takes some lives. Try to tell that to Victor Jara's widow and kids.

    Now if you can explain the difference between what's happening in China and all those fascist dictatorships you seem to be in love with...
    Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
    And notifying the next of kin
    Once again...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Fez
      What crimes of capitalism?


      You're funny, Fez (oddly, when I read your posts I "think in" the Fez character's voice).

      How's about Enron? What about gun companies marketing to criminals (unless you can think of another reason for a finger-proof grip)? Union busting (usually violent in the 19th century)? Granted, capitalism doesn't usually get as flashy ...

      And even if the Chinese government calls themselves communist, they aren't communists. They've been privatizing health care of all things. They are a new bread of authoritarian capitalism.
      - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
      - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
      - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hueij

        Yep, all is well... Keep up the economy even if takes some lives. Try to tell that to Victor Jara's widow and kids.

        Now if you can explain the difference between what's happening in China and all those fascist dictatorships you seem to be in love with...
        Well In Chile Pinochet actually has a very large crowd of supporters believe it or not. I'd rather listen to them.

        In love with? Name one besides Franco. Franco was just a result of the civil war.. there wasn't anybody else except some dumb commies.

        Templar, I am talking about capitalism, not criminal behavior.

        And China is very well communist. Look at all the public industries still owned by the government.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #34
          Originally posted by The Templar


          How's about Enron?

          Your comparing Enron to the Massacre
          Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Fez


            Well In Chile Pinochet actually has a very large crowd of supporters believe it or not. I'd rather listen to them.

            In love with? Name one besides Franco. Franco was just a result of the civil war.. there wasn't anybody else except some dumb commies.
            I believe you. Stalin still has a large support in Russia today...

            And I don't get your remark about Franco. Unless you consider people like Hemmingway, Orwell and Picasso "some dumb commies".
            Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
            And notifying the next of kin
            Once again...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Hueij
              And I don't get your remark about Franco. Unless you consider people like Hemmingway, Orwell and Picasso "some dumb commies".
              Hemmingway and Orwell are what? Are they Spanish? Do they have a right to run my country? No they don't. Picasso.. well.. he is Spanish... but I don't like the guy. My grandfather fought with the nationalists and is spanish...

              We have a right to our soverignity. Franco crushed the communists ("republicans") with the help of Hitler. It was a reclaiming of our national pride and soverignity. Not that bull**** those stupid commies would of put us through... they can go to hell. They attacked our country and paid the price.

              Just imagine if we had to suffer under the reigns of those idiots commies....
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #37
                And Pinochet.. well he murdered people.. but he did good for the Chilean economy.

                You're not real, are you?!
                Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
                Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Fez


                  Templar, I am talking about capitalism, not criminal behavior.

                  And China is very well communist. Look at all the public industries still owned by the government.
                  If that's what you mean, then communism causes no crime either - rather criminal behaviour is undertaken under with communism being the excuse.

                  But, if you want to speak in more general terms, capitalism fosters social darwinism, destructive competitiveness, and a blame the victim mentality when it comes to poverty issues.

                  Sprayber - you want crimes? How about Unocal employing the Myanmar army to extract slave labor from villiages - often killing those to weak to work or unable to work fast enough. That bad enough for you? How about forced prostitution? You like that? How about HMOs withholding life-saving treatment to pad out their profit margin? Is that criminal enough for you? How about the assassination of labor leaders by Coca Cola subsidiaries in Colombia? Gives a new meaning to "ice cold".
                  - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
                  - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
                  - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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                  • #39
                    ...the help of Hitler. It was a reclaiming of our national pride and soverignity


                    Alva, I'm afraid he is serious...

                    On a side note, can't you change your handle? alva is not very popular over here
                    Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
                    And notifying the next of kin
                    Once again...

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                    • #40
                      But, if you want to speak in more general terms, capitalism fosters social darwinism, destructive competitiveness, and a blame the victim mentality when it comes to poverty issues.
                      Really? You are so full of it. We are talking about capitalism. Not feudalism.

                      You are also full of it in your response to Sprayber. That is not capitalism there.

                      Coca Cola subsidaries don't assassinate people in Colombia. Those were paramilitaries and rebels. The criminal AUC, FARC and ELN at work. Not a company. How do I know that? I only been to the country a dozen times.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Fez


                        And Pinochet.. well he murdered people.. but he did good for the Chilean economy.
                        Hmmm, and overthrew a democratically elected government. Just goes to show you don't give a damn about freedom, liberty, or democracy. GUess that's all neoliberals - market concerns and property rights over the liberty and democratic choice of the people.

                        You might as well defend Hitler while you are at it.

                        We have a right to our soverignity. Franco crushed the communists ("republicans") with the help of Hitler
                        Oh, I guess you sort of did already.
                        - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
                        - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
                        - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by The Templar


                          Hmmm, and overthrew a democratically elected government. Just goes to show you don't give a damn about freedom, liberty, or democracy. GUess that's all neoliberals - market concerns and property rights over the liberty and democratic choice of the people.
                          I didn't defend Pinochet in this thread. I just said he did well with the economy. I dislike his measures he took on the opposition however. He didn't have to kill them, only arrest them.

                          You might as well defend Hitler while you are at it.

                          Oh, I guess you sort of did already.
                          hahaha.. I hate Hitler.. just that we didn't have a choice but to ask him for help.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by alva
                            And Pinochet.. well he murdered people.. but he did good for the Chilean economy.

                            You're not real, are you?!
                            You don't know Fez very well, do you ?
                            "An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind" - Gandhi

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Fez


                              Really? You are so full of it. We are talking about capitalism. Not feudalism.

                              You are also full of it in your response to Sprayber. That is not capitalism there.
                              Cute distinction. Our capitalist institutions are exploiting non-captialist institutions to further capitalist goals (i.e. profit maximization).

                              Coca Cola subsidaries don't assassinate people in Colombia. Those were paramilitaries and rebels. The criminal AUC, FARC and ELN at work. Not a company. How do I know that? I only been to the country a dozen times.
                              Sorry again, right-wing paramilitaries funded by Coke subsidiaries killed the labor leaders. I guess that distinction makes everything OK.
                              - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
                              - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
                              - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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                              • #45
                                Fez, here's one for you, a Commie painting:

                                Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
                                And notifying the next of kin
                                Once again...

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