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  • #46
    No on the first count to templar. Then go live in a cave if you want to be a true communist. Stop using the computer too. You are full of crap when you say anything about exploitation.. type communist nonsense.

    No on the count number two. That isn't true. Also you never been to the country, I have.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Fez


      I didn't defend Pinochet in this thread. I just said he did well with the economy. I dislike his measures he took on the opposition however. He didn't have to kill them, only arrest them.
      How could he arrest the opposition when they won the ****ing election? Pinochet's the one that should be in jail for treason.
      - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
      - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
      - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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      • #48
        Was Tiananmen Square too boring for you Hueij?
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Hueij
          Fez, here's one for you, a Commie painting:

          Ah the painting of the Guernica...

          Hmm... my grandfather took a bullet in the shoulder because of communism.

          It is not allowed in our country and we did away with it in the proper manner. When the USSR decided it wanted to expand itself to our country, we took really good care of what they sent. Afterall most of what the Republican forces used was USSR built crap.

          I got a photo of my grandfather firing a Mauser 98 towards those commies...
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #50
            Originally posted by The Templar


            How could he arrest the opposition when they won the ****ing election? Pinochet's the one that should be in jail for treason.
            The opposition didn't win the election. In fact there were allegations of vote fraud done by the socialists. It was very apparent. And he could arrest the opposition when he has seized control of the country like he did in that September of 1973.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #51
              Ranskaldan:

              I don't know the specific demands of the Tian An Men protestors, so I won't discuss your assertion that they would have brought unfathomable chaos to China (i.e I think you are probably right)

              However, even if those people were unreasonable, it was still outrageous to have slaughtered 7000 of them ! When a regime disagrees with people, there are other ways to ignore them -we in the EU have plenty .

              The massacre was outrageous no matter of the message held by the protestors and I'm surprised that you defend it
              "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
              "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
              "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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              • #52
                Originally posted by DinoDoc
                Was Tiananmen Square too boring for you Hueij?
                Nope. Tiananmen reminded me why I was wrong during the '70s. But I'm getting a little tired of people who are defending people like Franco and Pinochet.

                Good enough answer?
                Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
                And notifying the next of kin
                Once again...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Fez
                  No on the first count to templar. Then go live in a cave if you want to be a true communist. Stop using the computer too. You are full of crap when you say anything about exploitation.. type communist nonsense.
                  Why? If I wanted to be a true communist I'd be promoting cities with collectively owned factories/software houses/service providers and collective farms. Not caves. Have you even read Marx? How about you construct a proper argument instead of yammering on and defending mass murderers like Pinochet.

                  No on the count number two. That isn't true. Also you never been to the country, I have.
                  Hmm, were you privy to the secrets of the FARC and the right wing paras? Did you hang out with them? If not, then you don't have first hand knowledge even if you have been to Colombia.

                  Of course, maybe you were kidnapped by right wing paras and are suffering Stockholm syndrome ...
                  - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
                  - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
                  - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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                  • #54
                    Hueij :
                    What evil has Thomas Alva Edison ever done to you ?
                    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Hueij
                      Nope. Tiananmen reminded me why I was wrong during the '70s.
                      Wrong in what way?

                      But I'm getting a little tired of people who are defending people like Franco and Pinochet.
                      If Fez is annoying you, just call him an idiot and ignore him like most people do when he starts talking about Franco and co.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by The Templar


                        Why? If I wanted to be a true communist I'd be promoting cities with collectively owned factories/software houses/service providers and collective farms. Not caves. Have you even read Marx? How about you construct a proper argument instead of yammering on and defending mass murderers like Pinochet.
                        True communists don't want any economy. In fact the word economy to them is capitalist.

                        Hmm, were you privy to the secrets of the FARC and the right wing paras? Did you hang out with them? If not, then you don't have first hand knowledge even if you have been to Colombia.
                        I hate both of them. I support the Colombian Armed Forces which are handing the FARC, ELN and AUC's asses to them. The Colombian Army has lately been attacking the AUC quite a bit... contrary to what some think the ties between the Army and AUC have long been broken.

                        Of course, maybe you were kidnapped by right wing paras and are suffering Stockholm syndrome ...
                        I was in the custody of the Army... visited a military hospital while I was there and stayed in Bogota.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Fez


                          The opposition didn't win the election. In fact there were allegations of vote fraud done by the socialists. It was very apparent. And he could arrest the opposition when he has seized control of the country like he did in that September of 1973.
                          He could in a physical sense, but had no right or legitimacy in doing so.

                          Do you have proof of vote fraud? Sounds like after the fact excuses. There are always allegations of vote fraud - just like the 2000 US election...

                          Oh wait, their was vote fraud in the 2000 election. Just ask black voters in Florida.
                          - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
                          - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
                          - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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                          • #58
                            Want to know one more of my personal heroes templar?

                            Álvaro Uribe Vélez – Sitio oficial
                            http://www.alvarouribevelez.com.co/


                            He was elected by a landslide and is now taking a no mercy approach to rebels and paramilitaries.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by The Templar


                              He could in a physical sense, but had no right or legitimacy in doing so.

                              Do you have proof of vote fraud? Sounds like after the fact excuses. There are always allegations of vote fraud - just like the 2000 US election...

                              Oh wait, their was vote fraud in the 2000 election. Just ask black voters in Florida.
                              Well in the 2000 elections, there was vote fraud. The democrats really did it when they wanted the vote recounted about a dozen times.. either way Bush would of won Florida no matter what.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #60
                                Fez/Templar: Can you two take your handbag swinging to another thread? This might actually turn into an interesting thread without you two ****ing it up.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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