Change your behaviour or you won't get medical help!

[Solly]

Eating a Ugandan penis makes you fearless

[Tolls]

"It's not the government's job to tell people what a sensible choice is."

"Change your behaviour or you won't get medical help!"

Spot the contradiction here...

[MikeH]

[Solly]

"It's not the government's job to tell people what a sensible choice is."

"Change your behaviour or you won't get medical help!"

Spot the contradiction here...

No contradiction. The second quote is hyperbole.

[Tolls]

But your first post implied you agreed with it...which is contradictory.

[Solly]

That's why I don't like the idea of the NHS. Because it is funded by the "government", they have some degree of say over how it is arranged.

Make it private and then the government will be granting everyone more freedom to make their own choices over how to spent their tax pounds.

[Solly]

So:

"Freedom is the ability to make choices, be they right or wrong"...but you take the responsibility if it goes wrong, not the government/NHS.

[Tolls]

Which doesn't change the contradiction between your first post and the statement:

"It's not the government's job to tell people what a sensible choice is."

...so there, Mr Contradictory...

[Solly]

It is the government's job when they are paying for it.

That's why I advocate a private health system, where the government can't tell us what is right or wrong. The market will, though.

There's no contradiction, as I proved before.

[Tolls]

So....the government should therefore tell the people what a sensible choice is?

OK, Mr C.

[Japher]

I think everyone should be given the ability to get proper health care. I also think that I shouldn't have to pay for some fat smoker to get heart medication cause because he is fat and smokes (this is me in a few years). I also think that if I can afford it I should be able to get any kind of treatment I want without having to wait for all the other ppl to get treated and not pay for it (instead making me pay to wait)...

Government should not tell people how to live... or die. Yet, it seems to be the responsiblity of the government to put off this death that those people chose, and thats just not fair.

Private Health Care is fine for those who can afford it.

HMOs are a cheap way for ppl to get semi-private health care, yet it is so socialized that it is almost impossible to get the treatment you need, even though you are paying for it.

Public health care (in the US) is only good if you have a cold or fever and need a pill or a shot. If you need a new liver, have cancer, or some other terminal illness you might as well sign your will and jump off the nearest pridge.

I suggest Privatizing all public health care systems, subsidize it, and give tax breaks, make contracts with, and fund grants to such institutions and supply companies that deal with these companies. Let the private buisness sector handle it all, they know how to do it better, you just need the government to regulate it, not run it, we all all know how efficient the government is... It would be like having a section 8 hospital...

[Raion]

Drinkers feel somewhat good (an illusion), but drinking destroys brain cells. Smokers (which I have to cut down on), don't always feel good, (not really sick), but usually have a brain (give up drinking for two years and see).
Women go to doctors more than men.

Doctors prescribe pills just about for anything, but in fact, antibiotics wreck the immune system.
Chiropractors (which I do go to) can actually help sometimes more, by adjusting the spinal cord, and such.

Doctors may prescribe pills that are not needed, (they are human, and test, and test, sometimes they are just wrong), and the health care system makes money for advancing the science sometimes for older people.

Some doctors are only out to make money, as in medicade, medicare, issues.

Usually the AMA does alright, but still it is self-governing body of doctors who are peers, and as such, I wonder sometimes, the Rights they give one another.

The insurance for a doctor is forcing some to actually quit the business, here in the U.S.

The entire system of patient and doctor ends up being misused by some, and is about corrupt, to a certain extent.

Health care --- moderation in anything, and exercise, and eating anything, about that, is with the moderation, is better than anything called health care.

Some people who sip a couple a day have been known to live to 100. Some who smoke everyday, have been known to live to 100. A cigar is better than cigarettes.

Going to a doctor (and one usually has to receive a second opinion now, or three) may actually be bad for your health in the long run.

Attitude to stay healthy, may be more important.

Moderation in anything.

[Ben Kenobi]

I am talking about keeping a healthy diet, and taking care of themselves. That's not a bad thing to ask. I am trying to prolong their lives, and improve it's quality, for crying out loud!

I agree, with this part, but I don't agree with charging those who use the system for legitimate conditions.

[David Floyd]

Doctors should provide whatever medical services a patient is willing and able to pay for - nothing more, and nothing less.

And obviously doctors shouldn't be forced to give treatments they are ethically/morally opposed to, such as assisted suicide or abortion.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


I don't know about medical oaths internationally, but generally denial of treatment is a breach of medical ethics. The question should be limited for responsibility for costs.

When someone has chronic traumatic injuries at a particular site, or simply a history of injuries, then it is problematic - at some point, you're willfully saying "screw the consequences." In that case, I don't think it's fair for the taxpayer to subsidize your recreational choices, or bad luck or lack of skill at them. That's different from the occasional one-off sort of injury that can come from running, football, or what have you.

You'd be amazed to encounter people who will aggrevate an injury for secondary gain, like removing a cast too early in order to impede healing of the limb for the purposes of getting a prolongation of their narcotic prescription. I have encountered such situations and witnessed doctors saying "enough".