Change your behaviour or you won't get medical help!

[TheStinger]

I don't agree with whats being proposed here. I still think a national helath service available to all is the right thing to have.

Why didn't your friend just buy a pregnancy kit.

[Az]

Sikander: for shame. Your system is expensive, doesn't serve many people, and contrary to what you say, is NOT better.

Stinger: I, too, think that a NHS is important, but, I think that what I proposed above would stimulate people to leave better lives, not having NHS taking care of these bound-to-happen disasters ( If those would happen, NHS would still treat them, but it wouldn't have to be as bad! )

[Solly]

"I still think a national helath service available to all is the right thing to have."

Because..?

[MikeH]

What's the alternative? The US system? Great if you are rich.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Boddington's
"I still think a national helath service available to all is the right thing to have."

Because..?

Because the alternatives are either compulsory medical insurance or lots of poor people not getting medical care.

Liam Fox's latest not so bright idea is for people to get a state handout towards the cost of private treatment. Typical tory scum policy. Those who can afford private anyway will get a government handout. The few who are borderline may slightly reduce waiting lists. The private healthcare companies effectively get government support. So money goes into the private sector (which the tories want everyone to use whether they can really afford it or not), less funding for the NHS means longer waiting list and so it goes on until no NHS and either expensive private care or no care for those who can't/won't pay.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by TheStinger
I don't agree with whats being proposed here. I still think a national helath service available to all is the right thing to have.

Why didn't your friend just buy a pregnancy kit.

She did, but her period just stopped and she wanted to be sure about it.

[Solly]

Originally posted by CerberusIV


Because the alternatives are either compulsory medical insurance or lots of poor people not getting medical care.

Liam Fox's latest not so bright idea is for people to get a state handout towards the cost of private treatment. Typical tory scum policy. Those who can afford private anyway will get a government handout. The few who are borderline may slightly reduce waiting lists. The private healthcare companies effectively get government support. So money goes into the private sector (which the tories want everyone to use whether they can really afford it or not), less funding for the NHS means longer waiting list and so it goes on until no NHS and either expensive private care or no care for those who can't/won't pay.

Sounds good. Abolish NHS funding and spread money equally among all citizens to either buy medical insurance or use the money as they wish.

People should have the choice.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Boddington's
People should have the choice.

Choice is fine when it is equal, or at least when everyone gets a reasonably satisfactory option. However people are people and not all are capable of sensible choices, or can afford them.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Sikander


She did, but her period just stopped and she wanted to be sure about it.

The doctor told my wife the over the counter kits were as relaible as anything the hospital could do short of a scan

[Tolls]

Wow...I never realised we had quite so many authoritarians here...

Me and a handful of mates had a little discussion on this earlier this week. Smokers and drinkers are already taxed to a huge extent, often termed "sin taxes" because both alcohol and tabs are looked upon as something worth dissuading people from using in excess. Our conlusion was that a new Lard Tax should be introduced, and applied to pre-prepared food based on grams of fat or something like that. Deep fried Mars bars should be taxed double....

Either that or strip the tax from booze and fags and then apply this idea of witholding treatment, but we were all opposed to that viewing it as distinctly authoritarian, and consequently a Bad Thing.

[Solly]

There's nothing wrong with fat. It's carbohydrates what cause cause so much obesity, especially refined ones.

[TheStinger]

God, first he's been seduced by the BNP now by the Atkins diet.

[MikeH]

Fat can cause heart disease for different reasons though.

[Solly]

Originally posted by CerberusIV


Choice is fine when it is equal, or at least when everyone gets a reasonably satisfactory option. However people are people and not all are capable of sensible choices, or can afford them.

It's not the government's job to tell people what a sensible choice is. otherwise we'd all have government-authorised cafeterias at the end of our street that served us what the government thought was healthy. No food would be purchasable anywhere else.

Freedom is the ability to make choices, be they right or wrong.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Boddington's


It's not the government's job to tell people what a sensible choice is. otherwise we'd all have government-authorised cafeterias at the end of our street that served us what the government thought was healthy. No food would be purchasable anywhere else.

Freedom is the ability to make choices, be they right or wrong.

Unfortunately if you give an unrestricted choice a proportion of people will do things that a majority consider unacceptable and which are generally illegal in the UK. It is then a small step to limiting peoples choices to exclude options which are harmful to them or others. The trick is stopping before a government goes to far.

I think the UK and EU go a bit too far but not so that I would seriously object. What we have is more palatable than the chaos in parts of Africa, such as DR Congo, where there is effectively no government and people are free to choose who they eat.