Palestinian Refugees: The Right of Return?

[Sirotnikov]

Btw, just so you know, from 1948, to 1951, several dozen thousands of refugees returned.


Currently, I suspect, that some of the refugee claimees, are actually nomads who decided to jump on the bandwagon, to get possible reperations.

Obviously not those in lebanon or iraq, but those who live rather successfully by now, or are in jordan.

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Btw, just so you know, from 1948, to 1951, several dozen thousands of refugees returned.


Currently, I suspect, that some of the refugee claimees, are actually nomads who decided to jump on the bandwagon, to get possible reperations.

Obviously not those in lebanon or iraq, but those who live rather successfully by now, or are in jordan.

Doesn't change the fact that there still are a large number of genuine refugees. If you have a problem, when a settlement is made the UN register of refugees can be investigated and obvious frauds can be struck off.

As for the Jewish refugees of arab countries, most of them left as an informed choice with the ability to sell of their property. There were no massive property confiscations as in Israel, so it really is a ridiculous strawman. Sure they can pay reparations, it isn't that much and yet it has no bearing on the Palestinian rights. There is no arguement to link the 2 in negotiations.

[gsmoove23]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Btw, just so you know, from 1948, to 1951, several dozen thousands of refugees returned.

Yeah and in 67 about 150,000 new ones were made.

[Panag]

Originally posted by gsmoove23


Doesn't change the fact that there still are a large number of genuine refugees. If you have a problem, when a settlement is made the UN register of refugees can be investigated and obvious frauds can be struck off.

As for the Jewish refugees of arab countries, most of them left as an informed choice with the ability to sell of their property. There were no massive property confiscations as in Israel, so it really is a ridiculous strawman. Sure they can pay reparations, it isn't that much and yet it has no bearing on the Palestinian rights. There is no arguement to link the 2 in negotiations.

yeah right , they could not to leave with money , .....

so please , iraq for example has made all the property "property of the state"

on the other hand we have payed and are still doing so till this very day , .....

[gsmoove23]

Double post

[gsmoove23]

As I said, the number quoted includes those who left out of choice to accept citizenship in Israel with the ability to sell off posessions as well as those who may have left under duress. The former group is the majority of that number and are simply immigrants, nothing else.

[GePap]

A Panag,

look at the definition, go to the high commisioner for Refugees,and find me the Israeli ones..hel, find me a single refugee camp for Jews run by israel...

Woops, there are none.

they are also refugees , ..... even the UN accepts this , .....

Please quote a UN site for this.

A refugee is someone who flees out of fear of danger caused by an ongoing war or violent campaign. Poeple who leave their state because they are persecuted, but not during a violent campaign are not refugees. They are asylum seekrs, migrants, exiles if they whish to call themselves that, but not refugees. All refugees, by definition, fall under the care of the high commisioner for refugees.If anyone here can show me the records of the High commisioner taking care of Jeiwsh refugees and making preparations with the state of Israel for camps for refugees in Israel, well, then you can talki about jewish refugees of that era.

Don't like the definition? Think it narrow? Go argue with the General Assembly.

[Al'Kimiya]

The arabs are duly entitled to their own homeland. Shame, shame on the house of Saud for not allowing the right of return for all these people led astray.

[chequita guevara]

If Israel refuses to allow the Right of Return, then it should be expelled from the UN. It's joining the UN was conditional upon allowing Palestinian refugees to return home. Israel agreed and then renegged.

[VetLegion]

Does anyone really think that any country would abosrb millions of people who, up until recently, the majority of whom supported the destruction of that country, and whom many still do?

Yes. I am from Croatia and I can tell you the expirience of my country. It is forced by international community to accept the return of all refugees, most of whom ofcourse have no love for the country.

In reality, most refugees do not come back. The young ones have new lives in new countries but the old do return to die where they were born. Both apply for social benefits, pensions and such.

So it can be done.

Why would there be different standards for Croatia and different for Israel?

Ethnic cleansing is a very effective policy, but it is a tragedy, like the suicide bombings are a tragedy. Neither should be a part of civilized solution to problems.

[Panag]

Originally posted by GePap
A Panag,

look at the definition, go to the high commisioner for Refugees,and find me the Israeli ones..hel, find me a single refugee camp for Jews run by israel...

Woops, there are none.

they are also refugees , ..... even the UN accepts this , .....

Please quote a UN site for this.

A refugee is someone who flees out of fear of danger caused by an ongoing war or violent campaign. Poeple who leave their state because they are persecuted, but not during a violent campaign are not refugees. They are asylum seekrs, migrants, exiles if they whish to call themselves that, but not refugees. All refugees, by definition, fall under the care of the high commisioner for refugees.If anyone here can show me the records of the High commisioner taking care of Jeiwsh refugees and making preparations with the state of Israel for camps for refugees in Israel, well, then you can talki about jewish refugees of that era.

Don't like the definition? Think it narrow? Go argue with the General Assembly.

if you can find and quote the un numbers for the pals , well just look two pages further , you see all the other including Israel and Jewish refugees , .....

it cant be that hard , can it , .....

[TheStinger]

Asylum seekers gain refugee status on having proved that they are fleeinf a well founded fear of persecution based on their race, religion and/or polictiacl views.

[Panag]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If Israel refuses to allow the Right of Return, then it should be expelled from the UN. It's joining the UN was conditional upon allowing Palestinian refugees to return home. Israel agreed and then renegged.

we are the only country in the middle east that takes care of the refugees that flee from arab countries , ..... where is the un in those countries to take care of them , ....

a long time ago when doing patrols on the syrian border a huge exodus started , the exodus of christians and even arabs , being shiite or suni , who fled the countries around them , .....

shall we talk to what syria tends to do to its christians , .... the syrian security forces burn crosses in the backs of those people , ..... can you imagine what it feels like when you see a seven year old with a 5 inch cross burned on its stomach , ..... or do you want the pic maybe posted , ......???

and the un , .... *sigh* U know Nothing or U do Nothing , ...... the sit between us and syria , the refugees have to pass them , you think they give a ratsass , ...... they dont , .... so we take care of these people , most of them join family in europe , asia , even the US , who pays , feeds and takes care of them , .... who do you thing , .......

the same in Eilat , refugees swim sometimes over from saudi arabia , .... lotar of eilat found a guy not to long ago with one hand shopped of , ..... his crime , ..... "begging for food" , ...... the sem on jordans border with the bedouins , the same with the druze on the lebanese border , .... if we where such a bad country , why do these people come to us , ....

do you have any idea how many children are brought back each year that are kidnapped by the father from the us and europe , .... they run for the israeli border , ....

and the un , well they cant do zip , they cant even make up what they want , .....

if its anyone who should be kicked out of the un , then it shall be countries who abuse and violate on a day to day base the basic rights from the geneva convention and the basic human rights , .....

we allow the return , but not for example if a pals gets married abroad with lets say an iraqi wife and all the uncles and cousins of the wife want to come , ..... even in the us or europe that would be a no go , .....

so wake up , and if you want proof , come and see for yourself , .....

two poly members are coming in september for a three week tour , more people are welcome , ......

[gsmoove23]

Wow, if Israel's that generous whats the problem?

[Az]

that the palestinians want more and more, of course.