Palestinian Refugees: The Right of Return?

[Edan]

Originally posted by DanS

It is a quirk of fate that the compensation coming from Arab states will be much smaller than that from Israel, owing to the lower value of property in the Arab world.

Well, I don't think Israel really cares about the money (except as a way of paying off reperations to the Palestinians).

[GePap]

Actually Edan I did look, at the UN, which is the definitive authority. Here is the point most important:

is recognised by the competent authorities of the country in which he or she has taken residence as having the rights and obligations which are attached to the possession of the nationality of that country,

Since Israel gives all Jews citizenship once they go there, thesae people stop ebing refugees the second they become ctizens of another state. For example, every and any Palestinian who came to the US and ebcame a citizen of the US is no longer a refugee, and has given up his or her right of return.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior

The palestinian refugees of 48 are mostly dead, too.

But not families. look at my post above this one, for the issue of who qualifies as a refugee.

[Edan]

Originally posted by GePap
Actually Edan I did look, at the UN, which is the definitive authority. Here is the point most important:

is recognised by the competent authorities of the country in which he or she has taken residence as having the rights and obligations which are attached to the possession of the nationality of that country,

Since Israel gives all Jews citizenship once they go there, thesae people stop ebing refugees the second they become ctizens of another state.

Then any Palestinian state automatically nullifies any refugee status (for those in the territories, anyway. I'm sure that quite a lot of opther Palestinians in other countries would want to go there too..)

[GePap]

Originally posted by Edan
Then any Palestinian state automatically nullifies any refugee status (for those in the territories, anyway. I'm sure that quite a lot of opther Palestinians in other countries would want to go there too..)

Only if those palestinians are then granted full citizenship by this Palestinians state AND the refugees decide to accept it.

[DinoDoc]

I was under the impression that the UN gave Israel an out when it affirmed a right of return for the Palestinian refugees, ie that they have to pay them off.

[Az]

Double Penetration.

[Az]

The definition of Refugee is clear. Most of those individual you point to would not count as refugees under the given definition, specially those that left their homes in the 50's at times that no open hostilities were ongoing. If you care to argue about the fairness of the definition of refugee, lets go ahead.

quoting from your quote:

"owing to a well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his or her nationality and is unable, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his or her former habitual residence, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it, but does not include a person who

As been said in my sources, The jews in arab countries were persecuted, and therefore left. Thus the rules above fully apply to them.

The legal definition of refugee as used in the Refugee Act, 1996, as amended, closely follows that of the 1951 Geneva Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and is a person who,

Both dates are after 48'.

Since Israel gives all Jews citizenship once they go there, thesae people stop ebing refugees the second they become ctizens of another state. For example, every and any Palestinian who came to the US and ebcame a citizen of the US is no longer a refugee, and has given up his or her right of return.

How does this make the ownership rights obsolete?

[GePap]

As been said in my sources, The jews in arab countries were persecuted, and therefore left. Thus the rules above fully apply to them.

Exeptions to the rules quote by you right bellow them are clearly made and as I told Edan, Jews that went to Israel are within those exceptions. Yes, Jews may have left fearful of what might happen to them, but they also left knowing they would become citizens in a new land: they had 2 reasons to leave, not just that above that you quoted. To use Zionist notins: how can exiles returning home possibly be refugees as well?

Both dates are after 48'.

And the UN had passed security council resolutions affirming that all that was written applies to the Palestinians. So the date is irrelevant. plus Israel is a signatory.

How does this make the ownership rights obsolete?

Jews could sue for reperattions in Israeli court, but by accepting citizenship of anpother state, you give up the notion that you are a refugee, and thus unless Israel passes a law, and the other states decide to abide by it, or Israel decides to use frozen assets of Aab states, Jews who left thesae Arab states can't claim damages based on the notion they are refugees.

[SlowwHand]

When is the first recorded act of Palenstinians ?

[GePap]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
When is the first recorded act of Palenstinians ?

[Panag]

Originally posted by DanS
$30bil? Israeli money? Yeah right.

Improper attitude. It's your obligation, even though there are others who would help you with the costs.

hi ,

when taking over arafats bankaccounts in swiss , brazil , belgium , lux , yeah why not , .....

if all the money the PA puts on its private bankaccounts where to be transfered to the people we might get somewhere , .....

when all the money hez****la makes from the heroin it grows in the bekaa then the people would be getting a state of the art health care system , ....

instead of giving money to print books worldwide without israel's or jordan's map on it would be spend on real educational books , ........

but since Israel in a true democrazy we cant even take hold of arafats backaccounts at bank hapolim , ......

have a nice day

[Arrian]

The president or prime minister of Israel should solemnly apologize to the Palestinians for the injustice inflicted upon them in the realization of Zionist aims, at the same time emphasizing that these aims were mainly directed towards national liberation and saving millions from the Jewish tragedy in Europe. Then, a "truth committee" should be established, composed of Israeli, Palestinian, and international historians, to investigate the events of 1948 and 1967 and to submit a comprehensive report that can become part of both Israeli and Palestinian school curriculum

Frankly, I think the central premise is correct: that the issue should not be treated by both sides as "all or nothing." But that part, especially the "Truth committee," was hilarious.

Oh, a Bebro: Good one.

-Arrian

[Panag]

Originally posted by GePap
Actually Edan I did look, at the UN, which is the definitive authority. Here is the point most important:

is recognised by the competent authorities of the country in which he or she has taken residence as having the rights and obligations which are attached to the possession of the nationality of that country,

Since Israel gives all Jews citizenship once they go there, thesae people stop ebing refugees the second they become ctizens of another state. For example, every and any Palestinian who came to the US and ebcame a citizen of the US is no longer a refugee, and has given up his or her right of return.

and what about the millions of people who are not even in Israel , .....

and as always in these type of threads , the real facts are forgotten , .....

do you know how many times the local Israeli embassy or consulate intervenes in countries for its citizens that are in fact people you refer to are palestinians , .......

not to mention that for most people who come here go for the Israeli citizens ship and leave after a couple of years to go to an other country , they use the Israeli ID to open doors in that country where they go , ......

not to mention that we accept and harbor more refugees then any other country in the middle east , .... people who flee our neighbors , ...... cause its so good over there , .....

and we let way to many of those stay , since we happend to be a democrazy we dont kick them out and some of them do nothing else then to plan ways then to kill people , ..... the less positive things of being a democracy , .....

and while we are at it , you should see the overseas Israeli arabs run to the consulate when they get a new kid born , ...... to register it and to make it an Israeli citizen , ......

as always the real thruth about Israel is not mentioned , ......

[Panag]

Originally posted by GePap


But not families. look at my post above this one, for the issue of who qualifies as a refugee.

just one little Q ; what about the families of the + 750 000 jews who had to flee arab countries , ......

they are also refugees , ..... even the UN accepts this , .....

or what about all the Jews who fled to Algeria and Maroc , ....

or are they as always forgotten , ......