Palestinian Refugees: The Right of Return?

[Edan]

Originally posted by GePap
As I said before, and you continually ignore, the creation of a Palestinains state does NOT (repat, NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT) invalidate the right of return refugees have.

It does if part of the agreement setting up the Palestinian state is the end to all such claims.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Edan
It does if part of the agreement setting up the Palestinian state is the end to all such claims.

Oh, so one set of palestinians can only get their rights to self-rule and citizenship, if they surrender the rights of others?

Yup, there is that backwards attitude again.

[Jon Miller]

the whole claims of right of return are jsut palestinian attempts to end the Israel state

no other group of refugees became so dominant )number wise) in comparison to thier initial state

Jon Miller

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, I wondered about that. Would the Israelis be against compensation for lost property of Jews during Hitler's reign?

Compensation? I don't think Israel has any problem with compensating the Palestinians (indeed it has offered compensation a number of times. And the American proposal in 2000, that Barak agreed to, offered compensation to all the Palestinians).

[Jon Miller]

Israel has a duty to compensate those who left

but amking two palestinian states would be stupide and unfair to the jews

Jon Miller

[Imran Siddiqui]

I mean compensation for every Palestinian who lost homes and businesses for the amount lost, not simply a blanket compensation to every person who is a Palestinian.

[Jon Miller]

sounds good

a blanket compensation would be more though and would assist those who might have had better jobs and the like

Jon Miller

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I mean compensation for every Palestinian who lost homes and businesses for the amount lost, not simply a blanket compensation to every person who is a Palestinian.

IIRC, the amount of compensation (in the American proposal) was to be something like $30+ billion to cover all costs (such as bringing in Palestinians from countries like Syria and Iraq, etc) and including those compensations for homes, etc.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
the whole claims of right of return are jsut palestinian attempts to end the Israel state

I guess that fact that it is a recognized right of all refugees, part of international law, well, that is irrelevant?

no other group of refugees became so dominant )number wise) in comparison to thier initial state

Jon Miller

First, Israel is not the state of these individuals: they have no citizenship.
Two: maybe the fact they have remained refugees fifty years may have something to do with it? Or perhaps the very large number of refugees givne the geenral population of the land in 1948-1950 may have somehting to do with it?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Edan



IIRC, the amount of compensation would be something like $50 billion to cover all costs (such as bringing in Palestinians from countries like Syria and Iraq, etc) and including those compensations for homes, etc.

Well, the Israel will have to pay 50 billion. look at it as buying the country, 50 years late.

[Az]

Yeah, I wondered about that. Would the Israelis be against compensation for lost property of Jews during Hitler's reign? Would they be against Jews being able to return to their former countries after WW2?

Actually, it's an issue that divided the Israeli society at the time.

MOst refugees are never forced to leave. Force is never necessary, just committ a few attrocities here and there, make it plain that they might not be the only ones, and people get the message that they are not welcomed to saty were they are.

So you accept that Jews of the arab world are refugees, too? ( and in greater numbers, may I add )

http://www.meforum.org/article/263

http://www.jcpa.org/jl/jl102.htm

[Edan]

Originally posted by GePap


Well, the Israel will have to pay 50 billion. look at it as buying the country, 50 years late.

Well, given that Israel was prepared to agree to the proposal, I don't see what the problem is.

Of course, Israel was willing to discuss compensation 50 years ago....

(And it was $30 bill, my first number was wrong)

[Edan]

So you accept that Jews of the arab world are refugees, too? ( and in greater numbers, may I add )

Indeed. Compensation!

[DanS]

IIRC, the amount of compensation would be something like $30 billion to cover all costs (such as bringing in Palestinians from countries like Syria and Iraq, etc) and including those compensations for homes, etc.

That's totally doable. The US would be willing to fund a sizeable portion of that.

[Eli]

$30bil? Israeli money? Yeah right.

Concerning the compensations from Germany, there was a huge argument on this issue. Violent demonstrations, Begin promising civil war, etc. IIRC the Knesset managed to get only a 61(out of 120) majority on the vote on the issue.