Immigration

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
TheStinger:

i dont know... thats what the political compass site said... that basically with Labour turning capitalist and the socialist partys becoming very socially liberal, all the religious poor only had the BNP as their voice.

can you direct me to this siite so I can have a look at the ****e their talking about.

[Solly]

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/2003_may/news_may23.htm

[Al B. Sure!]

Thestinger:

it's the site that people on this site always put up... www.politicalcompass.org i think maybe... i'm a far right winger so after the test, it tells me, "Learn more about the far right" and it goes into detail there.


thanks

[Solly]

Originally posted by TheStinger


can you direct me to this siite so I can have a look at the ****e their talking about.

IMMIGRATION - time to say NO!
EUROPE - back to British independence!
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!
ECONOMY - British workers first!
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!
AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!
HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!
TRANSPORT - time to invest!
ENVIRONMENT - NO to pollution!
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!
PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!
NORTHERN IRELAND - NO to sectarianism!
DEFENCE - no more cuts!
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain's interests first!
DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!

[TheStinger]

Great policies those. Really well thought out.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Thestinger:

it's the site that people on this site always put up... www.politicalcompass.org i think maybe... i'm a far right winger so after the test, it tells me, "Learn more about the far right" and it goes into detail there.


thanks

Thanks

I've done this before, I think i came out as social liberal, but quite right wing economicaly.

[Solly]

IMMIGRATION - time to say NO!

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

EUROPE - back to British independence!


We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britain’s family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home.

LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!


The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the ‘rights’ of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.

ECONOMY - British workers first!



Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.

EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!


We are against the ‘trendy’ teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.

AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!


We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain's farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation's need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain's once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast.

HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!


We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention – low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.

TRANSPORT - time to invest!



Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels.

ENVIRONMENT - NO to pollution!



Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale.

FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!


We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain.

PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!


The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.

NORTHERN IRELAND - NO to sectarianism!


Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism – from whatever side – once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles.

DEFENCE - no more cuts!


Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain’s armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britain’s armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peace-keeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake – a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain's interests first!


Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.

DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!


The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct ‘élite’ which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it.

[Solly]

I have a couple of issues with their economics, but politically rhey are superb.

For those of you that dub the BNP racist.

Frequently Asked Questions Q: Where do you stand on racial attacks?


A: Racist attacks are wrong, plain and simple. The majority of racist attacks in this country are committed against white British people, contrary to the image that the anti-British mass media portray. If a race-attack takes place, and the victim is black or Asian, the result is an endless media circus, howls of condemnation against the perpetrators, and more calls for repressive crusades against supposed ‘racism’. If a race-attack takes place, and the victim is white, the result is usually total silence. No condemnation, no media fanfare, total silence. By contrast, the BNP condemns all racial attacks, including those on non-whites. It is not the fault of individuals that they are in our country, and the answer to the problems caused by mass immigration must be solved by democratic political change, not by violence.

[Al B. Sure!]

alright so the BNP is basically moderately leftist on economics and far right wing socially...

i got a feeling that if there was a BNP in America (one whose high nationalism was not racist [because American patriotism transcends race]), that it would do pretty good among all the Baptist Appalachian and Southern union workers...

[TheStinger]

Well I'll pick on health care as it would take too long to go through all of them.

The NHS budget is aprox £55 billion pounds how will the injection of the just over £1 billion pounds form the foreign aid budget improve the situation. That is less that 1/2%.

They are just a list of populist ideas that have no basis in reality. A certain right wing party in Germany in the early 30'2 would have approved.

[Al B. Sure!]

Boddington:

I think the BNP is basically ultra-nationalist but because Britian is a racial country (made up of ethnic British), they got a natural tendency towards racism.

i do wonder about their stance on people of foreign descent whose family has been there since the turn of the century. The grandson of an Indian immigrant and what not...

[Al B. Sure!]

its interesting though how the American equivalent to the BNP would probably be the Populists of the late 1800's... they were very popular and had gotten support across all racial lines but white southern voters who otherwise would have been very populistic did not vote for them as the populists had shown support for blacks so racism destroyed the american version of this party.

[Combat Ingrid]

Earlier there was a party in Sweden with almost the same policies. When I was 16 I thought it sounded good, but then I grew up

Oh, the name of the party? "Nordic Reich Party"

[GePap]

Doesn;t BNP stand for "Bombastic Nitwits Party"?

Immigration is wonderfull, the best tonic against the corrosive and noxious notion of nationalism (incidently, a notion from the French Revolution ). If man simply stayed were he was, we would stagnate. Long live long voyages and finding new lands! The last thing we need is to breed new Bods...

Hey Speer, isn't the very fact you live a good endorsement for immigration, at least for you?

[Heresson]

I am against mass immigration. I have nothing against small one - I eat in Vietnameese restaurants mostly, and I apreciate their presence here. But when immigrants of one group are counted in millions, like in France, and their natural growth shows that they'll be a majority in years, there's something wrong - especially if they do not asimilate in the society at all. What happened on France vs Algeria match shows what I mean.
Immigrants can cause internal problems -of their fault or not. Natural growth of your own nation won't.
What intrigues me the most are the "no people are illegal" men. If someone enters your state without permission, He is a criminal and as such He should be treated - if someone entered your house, claiming You have enough room for him and so, You should share it with him, would You be happy and let him in?
Another thing is that most of people coming to USA or Europe aren't political emmigrants of their countries, as they claim - they are economical ones.
Moreover, accepting emigrants from some state won't help it. Some will send money to their state, making their new one poorer, but it's not the thing. I think richer states should try to help the poorer ones in enriching, not accepting new immigrants - because it won't solve the problems of those poorer states.
Anyway, immigration can truely be a kind of conquest-
I think that mr Pim was right - only people who accept local laws and traditions and there is a chance for them to become an integral part of the society should be allowed in.