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Originally posted by Fez
I am saying spending responsibly will work.
I am saying spending responsibly will work.
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I agree with that. However, apparently we have different opinions on how to define "responsibly"
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Having an entire class of people living off welfare is not responsible. That is something that doesn't quite get through the minds of some Europeans. Well I am a European that understands that basic concept.Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
I agree with that. However, apparently we have different opinions on how to define "responsibly"
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Your dutch system is quite good. It's the German system I'm talking about. Do you know that 1/4 of all German companies think about fleeing their native country?
It's the same over here
Fez:
You **** off.. you have no clue what you are talking about. You know nothing about economic productivity.
you are right. I know nothing about economic productivity. But I happen to know something about not be giving the chance to be productive and let me assure you, it's no easy ride, even with all the benefits we have over here.
You ever on the brink of losing your house? Begging your parents, family and friends for money? No? Thought so... So why don't you just shut up about things you don't have a clue about?Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
And notifying the next of kin
Once again...Comment
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We're only living off welfare because there's no ruddy jobs. And there's no jobs because of the capitalist system that forces companies to be "profitable" instead of productive.
Of course right-wing rich gits can't be expected to understand the concept, and will shoot me down, but I'm living in Germany, I'm unempolyed and I'm Goddamm glad that we have such a nice welfare system, even if its just barely enough to live off. Who gives a damn about "responsibilty" and all that BS, people have to EAT and pay the RENT (unless mummy and daddy do that for you rich boys) In the real world its more important to feed your citizens than worry about some crappy economic principle. The government is committed to massive welfare spending, or 15-20% of the country will starve. To do this they NEED higher taxes or the country will sink into a pit of debt like America.
Grrr
I'm going to stick my head under the shower
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No kidding. I am going to be figuring that out when I move out.Originally posted by Hueij
you are right. I know nothing about economic productivity. But I happen to know something about not be giving the chance to be productive and let me assure you, it's no easy ride, even with all the benefits we have over here.
When I have to take out a loan because of my dad's spending habits. I will be paying off loans until I am 50, like he did.
It is never an easy ride. And hard work, determination is what is necessary. Not excessive state funding.
I don't have a clue about? Oh please... I was in the lower middle class for a good part of my life. My parents had problems paying the bills. They are better off now but only because my dad worked and worked. My dad could of been way better off working for an petroleum company.. but guess what.. he didn't because he was too far away from the family too long. So he went for a lower paying job in the US government.. and eventually worked his way through.You ever on the brink of losing your house? Begging your parents, family and friends for money? No? Thought so... So why don't you just shut up about things you don't have a clue about?
I know what it is like when my family doesn't have enough money.
My dad and along of millions of other people didn't succeed by state covering.. they did it themselves.
The type of stupid spending you are proposing is completely irresponsible.
So please don't tell me what I don't know.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Anything new? You sound like the "United Left" in my country. Always complaining about the companies that are productive and bring in a profit.Originally posted by Jamski
We're only living off welfare because there's no ruddy jobs. And there's no jobs because of the capitalist system that forces companies to be "profitable" instead of productive.
Of course right-wing rich gits can't be expected to understand the concept, and will shoot me down, but I'm living in Germany, I'm unempolyed and I'm Goddamm glad that we have such a nice welfare system, even if its just barely enough to live off. Who gives a damn about "responsibilty" and all that BS, people have to EAT and pay the RENT (unless mummy and daddy do that for you rich boys) In the real world its more important to feed your citizens than worry about some crappy economic principle. The government is committed to massive welfare spending, or 15-20% of the country will starve. To do this they NEED higher taxes or the country will sink into a pit of debt like America.
Grrr I'm going to stick my head under the shower
-Jam
Why don't you just nationalize everything while you are at it? Let the state take over everything?
Lets see how things will go then.
The spending your propose will ensure a total destruction to your national economy.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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@ Fez :
You have such a sheltered life. Really you have no idea what its like to be poor. Could you live on 50-60 dollars/euros a week Go and ask your daddy for a loan.
-Jam1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
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I love the unemployment benefits in Belgium... the socialist union pays me 300€ a month just for sitting on my ass
In een hoerekotje aan den overkant emmekik mijn bloem verloren,
In een hoerekotje aan den overkant bennekik mijn bloemeke kwijtComment
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Jamski, if you would of bothered reading my post. You would find that type of rhetoric is a crock of ****. I didn't have a sheltered life for a large portion of my life. I know how it is to be poor.
In fact, my family is Spain were all farmers and very poor up until ten years ago.. when Spain threw off economic recession and grew.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Who gives a damn?The spending your propose will ensure a total destruction to your national economy.
No really, who gives a damn about the "national economy"? Its not putting a shirt on my back, or food on my table or a roof over my head, its just making STOCK HOLDERS richer.
At least in the GDR everyone had a job. Now there's areas of E. Germany with 35% unemployment. Yes, nationalise everything if its better that way.
-Jam1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
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Do you really suggest that Germany stops paying welfare money Fez? Yes or No? Nearly a quarter of the population are dependant on it.
Should Germany stop paying welfare money? Answer please.
-Jam1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
Check out the ALL NEW Galactic Overlord Website for v2.0 and the Napoleonic Overlord Website or even the Galactic Captians Website Thanks Geocities!
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Go move to Somalia and you will see who gives a damn.Originally posted by Jamski
Who gives a damn?
What a crock of ****!No really, who gives a damn about the "national economy"? Its not putting a shirt on my back, or food on my table or a roof over my head, its just making STOCK HOLDERS richer.
In the GDR people had adminstrative jobs... or sit around and do nothing jobs. That is why the system collapsed.At least in the GDR everyone had a job. Now there's areas of E. Germany with 35% unemployment. Yes, nationalise everything if its better that way.
-Jam
I think we got a soviet era communist here...
Restructure the system. And stop paying some of it. It is irresponsible. Those who could work should work.Do you really suggest that Germany stops paying welfare money Fez? Yes or No? Nearly a quarter of the population are dependant on it.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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They can't. End of story. There ARE NO JOBS.Those who could work should work
And the amount people get is just enough to live on.
So, do you cut the welfare?
-Jam1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
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Could we actually have some interesting discussion here? This thread is getting Fez'd.
Re German growth, I just wonder how y'all will get out of this situation relatively quickly.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Well then to create true jobs means to stimulate the economy.Originally posted by Jamski
They can't. End of story. There ARE NO JOBS.
And the amount people get is just enough to live on.
So, do you cut the welfare?
-Jam
Yes cut welfare immediately and stimulate the private sector to create jobs. That is something Germany is not doing.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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