France issues 'please explain' to US

[Kidlicious]

Spiffor,

I thought you meant that the Bush administration was spreading dirt about the French govt. You don't expect the Bush admin to take the French side on this do you? Why would they?

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither


It took you this long to realise I was saying the French don't make good allies? A little slow on the uptake, don't you think?

No, let me put it succintly: no rational, or historically bases argument I could make for why that statement is biased would not do anything to change ingrained beliefs, so i will no longer waste time.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Spiffor,

I thought you meant that the Bush administration was spreading dirt about the French govt. You don't expect the Bush admin to take the French side on this do you? Why would they?

No, I meant my government is thinking some people from the US government -in its wide definition- are giving rumors to the media, and my government ask yours to stop these individuals.

I don't expect the Bush admin to take the French side, except for the PC diplomatic talk where both sides claim to be eternal allies (I was surprised by one Bush's speech when he hold this kind of words).
But I think it would be normal from the Bush admin to take the steps it can to reduce the French-bashing. Should some people of our government spread rumors in the media which would lead to more anti-americanism, the US would rightly demand our gov to stop this behaviour.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by GePap


No, let me put it succintly: no rational, or historically bases argument I could make for why that statement is biased would not do anything to change ingrained beliefs, so i will no longer waste time.

In other words, you don't have any counter-balancing examples of when the French ever were a good ally to anyone, so you are admitting defeat.

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither


In other words, you don't have any counter-balancing examples of when the French ever were a good ally to anyone, so you are admitting defeat.

[Spiffor]

Well, just an example.
During the Cuba Crisis, De Gaulle was the first ally of the US to call Kennedy and tell him France would be on US side.
Yes, at a time when people thought the nuclear apocalypse was near.
Yes, the evil treacherous De Gaulle

[Kidlicious]

Spiffor,

I would like to see our govts work together on this problem. In that case they should discuss it together, not through the media.

On the other matter, I don't think it would benefit anyone for Bush to try and stop the French bashing going on. It's best just to let it be for a while and then things will get back to normal. Whatever permanent damage there is from this (hopefully not too bad) can't be helped.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Well, just an example.
During the Cuba Crisis, De Gaulle was the first ally of the US to call Kennedy and tell him France would be on US side.
Yes, at a time when people thought the nuclear apocalypse was near.
Yes, the evil treacherous De Gaulle

Ohhh. He made a phone call in a situation France could do nothing about. Sounds like the politik thing to do.

Meanwhile, Canada has nearly put the genie of seperation back in the bottle. Not quite, and it could still go bad.

Thanks, ally

[Spiffor]

Ohhh. He made a phone call in a situation France could do nothing about. Sounds like the politik thing to do.

France had nuclear warheads on its own, and De Gaulle put them for the interests of the west bloc at this very moment. The reward for such a move would have obviously been the nuking of France if the nuclear apocalypse indeed happened.

Had De Gaulle been the weasel the Yanks picture him to be, he'd have tried to get out of this mess rather than entering it wholeheartedly.

[Kidlicious]

Good point Spiffor.

[GePap]

HEY DINODOC!

have you looked into Ethiopia-Eritrea 1998-99?

I think it was a better example than some of the ones you gave, since people could quible about the relative powers of Parliments in systems with Monarchs.

[Spiffor]

GePap :
From what I understood reading this thread, DD thinks democracies do fight each other, and he gave examples of this to Davout, who thinks the opposite.

[DinoDoc]

Spiffor: That's correct and he's giving me a better example.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Good point Spiffor.

Thanks .
I'm eagerly awaiting NYE's reply, because I'm wondering how he will make the case of France being a bad ally in that example. I don't think he'll argue 'this is the only one example', since I answered to his request of giving any one example where the French have been good allies.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Thanks .
I'm eagerly awaiting NYE's reply, because I'm wondering how he will make the case of France being a bad ally in that example. I don't think he'll argue 'this is the only one example', since I answered to his request of giving any one example where the French have been good allies.

And we appreciate the current govt threatening to join the last war if Saddam used WMD.