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Even if they do boycott us what is boycotting them suppose to do? Do you think its going to make them support the next war?
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Originally posted by LoneWolf
Sorry, I thought I had made my point. No sense in having a pissing contest about whether or not the French love or hate Americans. We both know the truth. Nicht wahr?
Yes, Antiamericanism is indeed deeper in France than in other countries, partly because France isn't powerful enough to do its messianic mission, and witnesses the US doing their messianic mission. Nobody can doubt antiamericanism is more significant in France than in other places in the West.
Still, I have to see where Le Monde is antiamerican. If you don't want to prove it, I'm fine with it. But then, don't consider me of being stupid because I fail to see Le Monde's antiamericanism."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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When they do stupid things, we should "hinder" them (just like they hindered us when we tried to get Gulf War II going). We have distinct foreign policies, you know.Sorry, I thought I had made my point. No sense in having a pissing contest about whether or not the French love or hate Americans. We both know the truth. Nicht wahr?
Rather, my point is that its ok, but why the angst in Euroland about us realizing it, and acting? Why should we not boycott, oppose, and hinder, as they do us?
As for boycotts against "Old" Euro goods, that's simply idiotic. Period."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Spiff- I never said you were stupid. I think we really don't disagree very much.
Ramo- My point is, precisely, that we DO have distinct foreign policies. To say something is "idiotic. Period." is idiotic. Period.I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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I beleive you just contradicted yourself.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Yes, obviously. I thought using your own concepts would bring you clarity.I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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What clarity? You just BAMed. What possible purpose would boycotting French goods have?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Ah, to the point, then. A boycott is a very blunt instrument, no question about it. There can certainly be some "collateral damage". But it doesn't appear to me that this is your concern.
No, you seem to be troubled that it would not be effective. To this one can only say "We'll see". Still, the French are squealing about it, so that's a good sign to me.I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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So we'd be hurting both US and Euro businesses, pissing them off, causing the situation to escalate and have them boycott our goods. And then they won't help us out as much when real threats come knocking on our door. None of these sound like good points to me.Ah, to the point, then. A boycott is a very blunt instrument, no question about it. There can certainly be some "collateral damage". But it doesn't appear to me that this is your concern.
No, you seem to be troubled that it would not be effective. To this one can only say "We'll see". Still, the French are squealing about it, so that's a good sign to me."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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And then they won't help us out as much as what? As much as they have recently? As much as they could? A much as we would like?I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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As much as if we don't boycott them. Like how they helped out after 9/11. I wonder how much less support we would've had if there was a major trade war and questions of loyalty, etc., etc. immediately preceding 9/11.
'Course they opposed us during and preceding the war in Iraq, but they were perefectly justified in doing so. Since an alliance isn't the same thing as a vassalage. Independent foreign policy, etc., etc."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Ramo, you are just not getting it. I absolutely agree that the French have the right to oppose us. I see that you oppose the war in Iraq. But I would hope that, nonetheless, your loyalty is still to the US, not France.
I have never said a word about "vassalage" (although I doubt that you really have a clear idea of what that means.)
I realize that it is much easier to argue against things you wish I would say, rather than things I actually do say.
But, again, my point is simply that, if a country wishes to be our adversary, we ought to treat them as such.I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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1. My loyalty is to no state. I do have loyalty to the people of the world. All of them - American, French, and Iraqi.
2. I know you didn't use the word vassalage. And yes, I know exactly what it means. I'm using the word to signify a relation of superiority and inferiority between states.
You seem to be saying that if France disagrees with us on an issue, it is an enemy and we should act accordingly. That's not how an alliance works. France isn't our puppet. Raising trade barriers and calling them enemies is an idiotic way to respond to legitimate disagreements in foreign policy."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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No, no, Ramo, I don't care about your loyalty. It was an example. Try to keep up.
France did not just "disagree" with the US (I won't continue to say "us"). The French actively opposed the US. There is a big difference.I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me.--PattonComment
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So what if they opposed us? They were justified in doing so. Why should this warrant trade barriers?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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