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**GePap** · May 17, 2003, 23:01

Originally posted by notyoueither
GePap, the French do a good enough job of undermining alliances, as I posted earlier in this thread. There are many people, in many countries 'allied' with France, who have every right to be very unhappy with the French government now, and in the not too distant past.

As far as I have seen, no french public offials have gone to the press and said :we should rehtink our alliences with the US, or Britain, or Spain, or Italy. Only US figures do so, and only about the French.

And you know, somehow I don't think a bunch of Canadians being unhappy with a French president kick-starting a seperatist movement in our country are being self righteous idiots.

I don;t know (nor care) about Chirac and Quebec.

The thread isn't about the war. You're making it out to be.

Of course this thread is about the war. Look at all the reasons given for why france is "bad" and thus deserves the punishment and should thus not say anything (which was a huge part of thsi thread) it is all about the war with Iraq. So how then is this NOT about that war and its afternath?

**cinch** · May 17, 2003, 23:03

I don;t know (nor care) about Chirac and Quebec.

Wasn't it DeGaulle and Quebec? Or am I sadly misinformed?

EDIT: Never mind, I doublechecked for meself. 'Twas De Gaulle.

**notyoueither** · May 17, 2003, 23:05

Originally posted by GePap
I don;t know (nor care) about Chirac and Quebec.

In other words, you don't have a clue about the history of France and her 'allies', and you don't give a fig about anything that detracts from your position.

The French don't make good allies. Ask the Czechs and the Poles if you don't believe me.

**GePap** · May 17, 2003, 23:06

Spiff:

The US is always late: late for the last two world wars, late with its "White man's burden" missionary zeal.

**notyoueither** · May 17, 2003, 23:07

Originally posted by GePap

As far as I have seen, no french public offials have gone to the press and said :we should rehtink our alliences with the US, or Britain, or Spain, or Italy. Only US figures do so, and only about the French.

You're sh*tting me!

What did Chirac say to the Eastern Europeans?

**Spiffor** · May 17, 2003, 23:08

Originally posted by notyoueither
What did Chirac say to the Eastern Europeans?

STFU you insolent kids :finger:

**GePap** · May 17, 2003, 23:09

Originally posted by notyoueither

In other words, you don't have a clue about the history of France and her 'allies', and you don't give a fig about anything that detracts from your position.

The French don't make good allies. Ask the Czechs and the Poles if you don't believe me.

Well, neither do the Poles, it seems, since when the germans took over Bohemia, the Poles took a small chunk out of czechoslovakia for themselves. Oh, and France did declare war on germany when Germany invaded (and reformed Poland in Napoleonic times)

And no, i assumed that your beef with France now was based on some comments Chirac made about Quebec, and since I don't care to find out what chirac would say about Quebec, well, not an issue for me. But it does seem your francophobia may predate anything having to do with Iraq.

**notyoueither** · May 17, 2003, 23:10

Originally posted by Spiffor

STFU you insolent kids :finger:

No. I don't think that was it.

Hmmm... something about membership?

**Spiffor** · May 17, 2003, 23:11

Originally posted by Kidicious
I don't know what the specifics are on the accusations so I read it another way. Do you know what the specifics are?

Originally posted in the article
De Villepin confirmed press reports that French ambassador to Washington Jean-David Levitte had sent a letter to top US presidential aides and politicians complaining of a nine-month "organised campaign of disinformation" via media stories sourced to anonymous US officials.

In the letter, the ambassador complained that US President George W Bush's administration had done little in public to quell anti-French sentiment created by false news stories.

The White House and the Pentagon swiftly rejected any allegation that there was an orchestrated effort to spread disinformation about France, which drew Washington's ire by opposing the war to oust the Iraqi dictator.

**GePap** · May 17, 2003, 23:12

Originally posted by notyoueither

You're sh*tting me!

What did Chirac say to the Eastern Europeans?

No. I don't think that was it.

Hmmm... something about membership?

Yes, it was a comment about BECOMING allies, to possible FUTURE allies at the time, not membvers already. Oh, and these states have not suffered any reprecussions from the French at all, with their EU status.

**notyoueither** · May 17, 2003, 23:13

Originally posted by GePap
And no, i assumed that your beef with France now was based on some comments Chirac made about Quebec, and since I don't care to find out what chirac would say about Quebec, well, not an issue for me. But it does seem your francophobia may predate anything having to do with Iraq.

Francophobia? Nothing irrational about it. The French don't make good allies, that's all.

Oh, I know, they were willing to defend Germany to the last German, Brit, and American during the Cold War. That was swell of them.

**cinch** · May 17, 2003, 23:13

GePap:

And no, i assumed that your beef with France now was based on some comments Chirac made about Quebec, and since I don't care to find out what chirac would say about Quebec, well, not an issue for me.

I agree with most of the stuff you've said in this thread, but why do you have to downplay the De Gaulle-Quebec incident? It is a pretty big thing, and a free Quebec would affect America. I think poking at the coals of seperatism, which indirectly leads to terrorist action by the FLQ, should 'affect' you very much.

It would be like if Trudeau had gone to Northeastern Spain and triumphed the cause of Basque Independence. I would not expect the Spaniards to be pleased.

**GePap** · May 17, 2003, 23:14

Thank's for showing you stripes NYE. I know not to bother discussing your francophobia with you anymore.

**GePap** · May 17, 2003, 23:16

Originally posted by cinch
GePap:

I agree with most of the stuff you've said in this thread, but why do you have to downplay the De Gaulle-Quebec incident? It is a pretty big thing, and a free Quebec would affect America. I think poking at the coals of seperatism, which indirectly leads to terrorist action by the FLQ, should 'affect' you very much.

It would be like if Trudeau had gone to Northeastern Spain and triumphed the cause of Basque Independence. I would not expect the Spaniards to be pleased.

How is it downplaying it to say, honestly, I don't care? De Gaulle was generally a bastard, so fi you guys want to complain about this one stupid act of his, go ahead, call de Gaulle a bastard.

**notyoueither** · May 17, 2003, 23:18

Originally posted by GePap
Thank's for showing you stripes NYE. I know not to bother discussing your francophobia with you anymore.

It took you this long to realise I was saying the French don't make good allies? A little slow on the uptake, don't you think?

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