Your paranormal abilities

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000


You type of people think that you have all the answers.....Yet you don't even know what your talking about when it comes to this.

You DEFINATELY don't know what your talking about at all.

As I said, you have paranormal abilities to delude yourself.

[Dr. A. Cula]

Oops, sorry about the long post.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger




As I said, you have paranormal abilities to delude yourself.

Your the one deluding yourself, UR. I looked up at the planets and the alignment told me all about your future.



I can tell more of your future if you want......

[Grrr]

My main ability is deja vu and preminitions.

I will very often say totally random things, and in the presence of friends or strangers, they will often remember what I said and it's correlation to a major incident.

For instance, several weeks ago, I was talking with a couple of friends in a lecture, and mention that another friend should really get his car fixed (the car was perfectly good). Three hours later, he rings from the hospital ... car accident.

This morning, I randomly asked a friend 'where's your phone?'. I go to his house later in the afternoon, and it turns out his cordless phone had been stolen, ... and nothing else. - He was going to ring me.

Driving in my mates car a few months ago. ... I tell my friend on the back seat to put his seatbelt on, ... there was no seatbelt on his side of the car, he slides along, and just as he clips the seatbelt, a cattletruck comes around the corner, my friend who was driving spun out of control, and the car hit a powerpole at the exact point where my friend had been sitting seconds earlier.

When signing up for uni. I met with one of the old old lecturers, who said he remembered a boy several years ago who said that one day he'd be teaching him ...
Talking to my sister a couple of days later, she mentions that several years earlier I was in that same building with her, and that I had said exactly that to that particular professor.


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I also seem to sense an aura in places or items with past or future significance.

My parents being real-estate agents, I come into quite a few houses.

One house, which just wouldn't sell (it was UNDER PRICED, and had been on the market for 4 years), I came in there, and was absolutely certain there was something wrong with a particular tree ... where someone had hung themselves 150 years ago, and which had been covered up by the local church. ... after the owners had the place blessed, the property recieved 12 offers in one day!!!

At another stage, I went into the back room of a house, and spontaneously started crying, shivering and screaming. I fell to the floor in a spasm, and had a fit, until I was dragged out. The owner of the house had been publishing her fathers war diaries in that very room to be later published. I somehow picked up on all that emotion.

A shop in Cambridge ... they sell tribal art and stuff. My parents and I went in there at one stage, and in the upstairs room (or was it the basement) there was tribal art. That art exited an aura which made all three of us nautious, and exit the shop, without speaking. When we had left, we started talking about it ... those tribal figures ... there had to be something wrong with them.

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I never remember any of my dreams ... well, all but ONE.

The first time I can remember having this dream was when I was three, and I have had it recur many times since then.

In the dream I am young, we were out in the middle of nowhere for a reason I do not know. I can vividly remember the enviroment though, starting walking along a dark hedge, which looks like barbery but isn't. There is a track through the grass on the other side, a pair of hollowed out wheel tracks really, and I am wondering why we (there is a large group of scantily dressed people ... tramps) walking on this side, as quietly as possible through scrub.
This walking continues for miles, but at some point I am told to be really quiet. I heard a truck, and some people talking in a language I cannot understand ...
I then totally black out.
I am later running with someone who I theorise to be my mother, in hilly country. I am covered in blood, and so is she, she is also limping badly, and I cannot see her hand at all.
At some point she collapses, and tells me to go and find help. I run, and run, and run. I ran through kilometers of land, and eventually find myself unconciously running along that dirt road I mentioned earlier. I run accross a final hill, which has a large tree (looks like a birch) to my left, and a burning european stone farmhouse to my right.
I run to the farmhouse, somehow thinking there may be help there. There is no-one there, no-one anywhere, though outside one of the workers cottages (I think that is what it is) there is a large blood stained doll ... the face of which haunts me. (That face quite often comes to me during the day even).
I run down a farm track, along several fields, and come to a point where I can see several burnt out vehicles to my right; a rusty 1930's truck in front of me, and suddenly black out, and feel like I am crashing to the floor.

At that point I lie paralysed in bed, unable to do anything, everything is totally black.

When I am actually concious again the next morning, I have often found that I have smashed holes in the walls next to me bed, smashed items within reach of my bed, and woken EVERYONE in the house with screams and bangs.

[lightblue]

I don't think I have any paranormal abilites so to speak.

I am extremely good at reading body language though, to such a degree that people would call it telepathy. I can tell from the way a person looks at someone how they feel for someone (which doesn't half help my mates if they trust me enough with regards to girls ). I can do it to a leser extent when I myself am concerned as it is harder to read someone if they're facing you than if you can get them in a half profile where you can see more of the facial muscles. Sometimes it does work for me as well, and that's when i get lucky

Similarly by reading body posture I can tell if people are injured/ill/didn't sleep to a greater degree than other people can. Again this is very much a looking at people thing and see how they move, if they favour certain movements more than others. It is basically what doctors are trained in.

Two slightly freakier (I suppose) things are that me and my (not twin) brother can communicate without words, in that we start talking and then skip right to end of it agreeing on a course of action.

The other one is that I get more static shocks than anyone I know. When I was a kid I used to think I could get a discharge at will, but now i think it was just a numbers game, as I spark off car doors about 2/3s of the times

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by lightblue
I am extremely good at reading body language though

Me too.

Originally posted by lightblue
Two slightly freakier (I suppose) things are that me and my (not twin) brother can communicate without words, in that we start talking and then skip right to end of it agreeing on a course of action.

I don't think it's a case of telepathy but more of a very deep understanding of the other person's character. It's easier between identical twins because their characters overlap to a great extent.

[Richelieu]

I see beautiful people.



Actually i see ugly ones too but i tend to look away when that happens.

[lightblue]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I don't think it's a case of telepathy but more of a very deep understanding of the other person's character. It's easier between identical twins because their characters overlap to a great extent.

Yeah I know, it still freaks people out when we do it though. It helped on the basketball court as well when we used to play together.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Kirlian Auras, you say?



Article which quotes the quote I quoted

Incredible. Put organic matter in a vacuum so it dies - and it suddenly doesn't have a biometric field.

That's like testing for brain death after you've cut someone's head off.

And if human beings don't generate eletro-fields - what do EEGs read? The New York Times?

BRAINWAVES - and what's one of them, then? Is the brain the only organ that produces and responds to electrical impulses?

One debunk attempt and you think "ah, that's all explained then".

There is no alternative to emperic, repeatable experimentation. The problem with the "paranormal", that is, phenomenom outside the explanation of science, is that it doesn't prove easy to unravel by these methods.

If you think science can explain everything - go and ask a botanist how a tree pumps so much water so high.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Cruddy
If you think science can explain everything - go and ask a botanist how a tree pumps so much water so high.

I think that is capilary action, but you make a good point. just because something is paranormal doesn't means it against the laws of physics; it is that we we havent discovered the cause of these things.

About the 9/11 dream, it wasn't like a ordinary dream, it was so real that I woke up screaming and in a cold sweat. The night before the attack I also had that dream again.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Cruddy
And if human beings don't generate eletro-fields - what do EEGs read? The New York Times?

Humans do generate electric fields, but these are too weak to cause any light. In fact, an electric field itself does not generate light. It is through discharges or other means that electric electric energy is converted to photons.

Originally posted by Cruddy
There is no alternative to emperic, repeatable experimentation. The problem with the "paranormal", that is, phenomenom outside the explanation of science, is that it doesn't prove easy to unravel by these methods.

That just sounds like snake oil paddling to me.

Originally posted by Cruddy
If you think science can explain everything - go and ask a botanist how a tree pumps so much water so high.

This was solved - long ago. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean science doesn't.

[Cruddy]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


1) Humans do generate electric fields..


2) That just sounds like snake oil paddling to me.


3)
This was solved - long ago. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean science doesn't.

1) I'm glad you admit it! OK, this probably isn't the psychic aura that mystics bang on about... but it is an uneplored area for science. The Kirlian, even if it is an incidental curiosity, at least gave the subject an airing.

2) (Sigh) Look, just by observing a phenomenom, you change it. Some areas of research like electricity, magnetism etc are much easier to research than human reaction and interaction.

3) NO IT HASN'T... at least not in full. Transpiration and capillary action are certainly involved, but they certainly cannot account for the amounts of water moved over the distance - they are too weak for the job. Don't try and fob me off with a teenage educational site - let's try an adult one, shall we?

Here's the link;-

http://interactive.usask.ca/ski/forestry/activities/lesson_waterworks.html

Here's an extract;-

"The exact process by which water is taken up by plants against the force of gravity is not fully known. The most commonly accepted theory to explain this process is the cohesion-pull theory, which involves principles of osmosis, molecular cohesion, capillary action, and transpiration...."

Trying to get this post back on topic - I take the Arthur C Clarke view (a respected scientist as well as an excellent Sci-Fi writer). His take was that any advanced technology would be seen as "magic" by someone who didn't understand the principles behind it.

In other words, today's paranormal is tomorrow's science. I think it a much healtheir and scientific attitude to accept that paranomal (that is, unxeplained) phenomena exist while retaining a healthy scepticism to explain it by accepted theories.

It's much healthier than sticking your head in the sand.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

I know exactly when the public transportation bus is coming. I can be four blocks from a bus stop and start running all of a sudden, and exactly when I get to the station, the bus pulls in. And thats useful in San Francisco, where the bus' come whenever they want. Wastes less time.

[Bookwyrm]

originally posted by cruddy
Incredible. Put organic matter in a vacuum so it dies - and it suddenly doesn't have a biometric field. That's like testing for brain death after you've cut someone's head off.

Possibly, but vacuum exposure is not instantly fatal (see links at bottom of post). I don't know what the tolerances for whatever Hines used are, or how long it takes to do a kirlian photograph, but I doubt he would have overlooked the fact that a field generated by a living thing would obviously vanish after that things' death. Also, even if the researcher did overlook this, this supporter of auras shows a picture of a quarter giving off an aura, and quarters are most definitely not alive nor are they even organic. The supporter claims that the auras produced by non-living things such as coins are in fact the residue of the auras of living things which touched them. If a non-living item can hold energy from a living thing that touched it, why can't a once living thing hold energy from before it died?

Although I suppose it is possible we will eventually find something which absolutely demands a non physical explanation, I don't think we've come close to exhasting the explanatory power of purely physical models as of yet. I'm not really interested in getting into a protracted argument about this or other paranormal phenomena, and I'm certainly willing to admit that there are things that science doesn't currently adequately explain, but it doesn't really seem to me that the evidence suggests that phenomena currently outside the explanation of science won't eventually be explainable in purely physical terms.

this site: http://www.sff.net/people/Geoffrey.Landis/vacuum.html says:

monkeys and dogs have successfully recovered from brief (up to two minutes) unprotected exposures

and see also http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...rs/970603.html

edit: fixing misformatted links

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Cruddy
1) I'm glad you admit it! OK, this probably isn't the psychic aura that mystics bang on about... but it is an uneplored area for science. The Kirlian, even if it is an incidental curiosity, at least gave the subject an airing.

I have never denied that. ::scratches head::

The Kirlian just looks like badly taken and/or doctored images. I don't see how it can be taken seriously at all.

Originally posted by Cruddy
2) (Sigh) Look, just by observing a phenomenom, you change it. Some areas of research like electricity, magnetism etc are much easier to research than human reaction and interaction.

No. Do you alter a solar eclipse by observing it? The possibility of alteration could only exist when there's interaction, and when the observed object(s) are very small. That's why Heisenberg's Uncertainly Principle works only in the quantum world. More precisely, that's when the effects are large enough to cause a concern.

Originally posted by Cruddy
3) NO IT HASN'T... at least not in full. Transpiration and capillary action are certainly involved, but they certainly cannot account for the amounts of water moved over the distance - they are too weak for the job. Don't try and fob me off with a teenage educational site - let's try an adult one, shall we?

You are giving me a HS grade 12 webpage and accusing me fobbing you off?

Originally posted by Cruddy
Trying to get this post back on topic - I take the Arthur C Clarke view (a respected scientist as well as an excellent Sci-Fi writer). His take was that any advanced technology would be seen as "magic" by someone who didn't understand the principles behind it.

William Shockley thought that blacks were genetically inferior to whites. Clarke's saying may have some truth in it, but that is far from sufficient to cover the whole spectrum.

Originally posted by Cruddy
In other words, today's paranormal is tomorrow's science. I think it a much healtheir and scientific attitude to accept that paranomal (that is, unxeplained) phenomena exist while retaining a healthy scepticism to explain it by accepted theories.

"Paranormal" <> "unexplained"