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  • #31
    Originally posted by monkspider
    Wow, this is really cool.
    Hardly.

    Whats our excuse to have sex now?
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    • #32
      This might be possible to make work for adults in addition to embryos due to the fact that Multipotent Adult Progenitor Cells (MAPC's) are showing themselves to be possibly equivalent to stem cells of embryonic origin in many other stem cell applications. To give you an idea as to just how much potential these MAPC's appear to have consider the following. A chimeric mouse embryo was created by fusing several adult mouse derived MAPC's with an ordinary mouse embryo at the blastocyst stage. The chimeric mouse was found at birth to have MAPC derived cells of every tissue type composing a significant portion of it's mass. The MAPC cells were apparently able to differentiate into every cell type just as effectively as the original ES cells. The experiment has now been repeated successfully several times. It would seem that given the correct micro-environment it is possible to culture any and every cell type using only cells derived from an adult. Already the conditions needed to coax these MAPC's into a few dozen tissue types have been discovered.
      Last edited by Geronimo; May 3, 2003, 04:32.

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      • #33
        Plato1003, you just gave an example of a bisexual who didn't accept his bisexuality until much later.

        Becareful about how the word "environment" is used as well. In a strictly biological sense, it means any factors outside the organism. You can say the environment influenced the sexuality of a child if, for example, you've followed the studies showing that the more older brothers you've had, the more likely you are to be gay. In that case, IIRC, the environment of the womb becomes sensitive to male hormones and starts to guard against them, which may affect the development of certain parts of the brain, resulting in homosexuality.

        That's the environment influencing sexuality but it's not a choice.
        Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
        -Richard Dawkins

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Fez
          Quite a good one what? You are too vague in your responses.. I mean no disrespect.
          A good choice to accept yourself for who you are.
          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Asher

            Okay then, I want you to choose to be gay for a month and let me know how it goes for you.
            Asher, I think I'll pass, but I get your point.
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Starchild
              Plato1003, you just gave an example of a bisexual who didn't accept his bisexuality until much later.

              Becareful about how the word "environment" is used as well. In a strictly biological sense, it means any factors outside the organism. You can say the environment influenced the sexuality of a child if, for example, you've followed the studies showing that the more older brothers you've had, the more likely you are to be gay. In that case, IIRC, the environment of the womb becomes sensitive to male hormones and starts to guard against them, which may affect the development of certain parts of the brain, resulting in homosexuality.

              That's the environment influencing sexuality but it's not a choice.
              Many thanks for helping me out on a subject that I am obviously way over my head in.
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • #37
                an interesting thread. i'll comment, that i also DO think that choice can possibly factor into sexuality, but that the large majority of the time, it does not.

                This goes along with my other theory, that most (if not all) people are really bisexual, and most just havn't realized it; due to a variety of factors, mostly sociological.

                i can't really back that up with anything more than my own personal observations, but nonetheless, i think it's true, and i just wanted to voice my opinion

                for a good book that raises interesting questions on sexuality, check out The Braided World my apologies for not remembering the author at the moment.
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                • #38
                  Uh Clem:

                  Not yet. What works for other animals does not necessarily work with humans. We see that with cloning, so why not with this?

                  It's only a "choice" if you're fully bisexual and wish to repress half of your instincts.
                  cinch: Do heterosexuals ever have to repress their instincts in today's society? I'd hope that they do.

                  That's the environment influencing sexuality but it's not a choice.
                  Starchild: So your genotype determines everything that you do in life? Look at alcoholism. People can be born with a predisposition to alcholism, as they would be to a particular sexual orientation. Whether the orientation expresses itself depends on the individual, and the environment. An alcoholic can prevent himself from ever becoming an alcoholic by never taking a sip of alcohol. The same with homosexuality.
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                  • #39
                    Alcoholism does not equal sexual orientation. Obiwan, that is very skewed. But as you are one of those religious nuts I am not gonna bother trying to talk sense with you.

                    And to hell with you saying homosexuality can be prevented! How the heck can you know that? The way you are stating it is that I should never have a relationship in my life, ever... stay the hell out of my life and please, don't get involved in politics.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #40
                      Hmmm, if these technology really works then I see no reason why you or I couldn't "breed" with a super model just by getting a DNA sample. That would be great!
                      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                      • #41
                        blah blah blah. Your hitting lows already hit and your still digging.

                        This crap has been hashed and rehashed in billions of other threads.

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                        • #42
                          Then you don't need to spam it with comments, do you?

                          When did Ming let you out of the box, anyway?
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                          • #43
                            There is no genes for your preference. Being gay or not and liking ice cream or not could be roughly said as the same thing. Its mostly enviornmental but you have no real control over it.

                            I'd probably die before I have another bite of pistachio, straight guys would be repulsed at the idea of being forced to have gay sex.. yada ya.

                            Nope, there is a difference between biological factors and genetics. Biological factors could be chemical processes that go on in the womb that effect the child.

                            The process that you describe is enviornmental. During exposure to such conditions, your body will react a certain way.

                            Basically anything outside of your genes is enviornmental.
                            :-p

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                            • #44
                              Ming released me into Solvers custody

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Tassadar5000
                                Hardly.

                                Whats our excuse to have sex now?
                                The same as its always been - enjoyment.
                                I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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