US to pull out of Saudi Arabia.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
Sandman, Your position is that US soldiers wantonly opened fire on a peaceful crowd?? You should eithier get a life or get an education on US rules of engagement.

That's not the first time that happened in this war. US soldiers opened fire several times at civilian cars, at reporter cars, and at hotels. I can't see there's any plausible defenses.

[Inverse Icarus]

if we attacked them from within their country, we'd be breaking an RoP, and the rest of the civs would remember that.

we're just doing this to maintain all those trades for luxuries later on.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


That's not the first time that happened in this war. US soldiers opened fire several times at civilian cars, at reporter cars, and at hotels. I can't see there's any plausible defenses.

1. Reporters running around in a war zone that they had been warned to stay out of.

2. TROE do not say that no mistakes will occur. You can follow the rules of engagement and still have collateral damage. Yes.

3. Do you have any proof of diliberate targeting of noncombatants?

[uh Clem]

So bin Ladin's campaign of shock and awe has succeeded.

[MRT144]

i think the point that a lot of us are missing is not how we see it, but how the iraqis see it. they see americans killing iraqis and freedom fighters for iraq. we seem them attacking our troops and our troops defending themselves.

[TCO]

And than you have poly tubbies. Who sit and play war games on their computers. Making comments like, "why not use snipers"? What a dum**** response. Like they a. had snipers there. b. knew there would be a problem.

[gunkulator]

MRT144 is right. Attacks of this nature are clearly not serious military actions for either side. They are propaganda tools. While there have undoubtably been casualities due to mistakes on the part of the US, it would be naive to expect the opposition to not take advantage of the chaos to make the US look bad when the oppurtunity arises.

[Sava]

What a dum**** response

you do know there is a "B" in there, right? It's spelled like this.

dumbsh1t

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sandman


The demonstrators claim that the Americans fired first. ITN news reporters noted that the school the Americans had occupied (and the parents demostrating wanted back) had no bullet holes. The Americans evidence for the gunmen was three AK-47s they claimed to have recovered.

I see no reason whatsoever to believe the soldiers' version of events.

FYI, I have seen video of bullet holes in the school occuppied by the US troops. I have also heard that the firefight went on for hours.

But, of course, the Iraqi's were fighting for hours without weapons.

[GePap]

Get a grip people: the Sauds are generally as glad to see us gone as you guys are that we leave, though they won;t say it in public. The fact is that we will still jump to protect the Sauds at the drop of a hat if it comes to that, and we will still sell them billions of dolars of top-notch Us hardware.

We are moving from one Gulf Kingdom to another, with the big change being the Big one has clout and thus the ability to disagree in public whjile the tiny ones really want us and would never say a word. (Same thing in Europe and elsewhere).

[Sava]

I don't believe the Americans fired first. I think it was just a ****ed situation.

[Ned]

As to the main point, the US withdrawing from unfriendly regimes, I wholely endorse the idea. We are moving out of Germany as well.

Pulling our troops out will of course free us to be more public with our criticism of Saudi Arabia, which seems extremely repressive. However extreme the government seems, those that would replace them would be worse. In such an environment, what can we do to make matters better? I can think of nothing.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Sava
I don't believe the Americans fired first. I think it was just a ****ed situation.

I don't think any reasonable person would think the US fired first.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
As to the main point, the US withdrawing from unfriendly regimes, I wholely endorse the idea. We are moving out of Germany as well.

Ned. The sad thing is you actually believe this.

[GePap]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
I don't think any reasonable person would think the US fired first.

Why? Anyone hear remember the Boston Massacre?