US to pull out of Saudi Arabia.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Sandman


No, I think it's possible they panicked, and opened fire.



The rules of engagement are bits of paper, not natural laws. It's perfectly possible for soldiers to open fire in panic (it seems they used over one hundred rounds) and then cry 'gunmen' to cover up their failings. I think it's bizarre to think that US troops are not as fallible as any other army in history.

does it make since for this to go on for over an hour??

if there was no firing in return?? (I am not addressing the whole, who started it issue, because traditionally that is fairly meaningless)

Jon Miller

[PLATO]

Sandman: The level of training that US soldiers go through is far beyond that of any other army in history. I think it is bizzare for someone to think that US troops would "get scared" and open fire on crowd.

[Sava]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
Sandman: The level of training that US soldiers go through is far beyond that of any other army in history. I think it is bizzare for someone to think that US troops would "get scared" and open fire on crowd.

That makes the situation worse then PLATO...

[Ramo]

Good to see this happening. It's about damn time.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
I think it is bizzare for someone to think that US troops would "get scared" and open fire on crowd.

That's exactly what they do. If they are not scared, why don't they use snipers instead of hosing people down in dozens with automatic fire? OK, it's easy for me to say in my armchair, far away from the action, but you're the one saying they aren't scared.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Sava
That makes the situation worse then PLATO...

Only if you assume that they actually did open fire on a defenseless crowd. Almost assuredly, they did not.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
**** you SA!

FuXx U SA

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre


That's exactly what they do. If they are not scared, why don't they use snipers instead of hosing people down in dozens with automatic fire? OK, it's easy for me to say in my armchair, far away from the action, but you're the one saying they aren't scared.

I did not say that they were not scared. I said that they would not open fire on defensless people because they were scared.

When soldiers get scared they tend to react. The US spends a tremendous amount of time honing these reactions. Without cause, I cannot imagine any circumstance that US troops would "hose down" a defensless crowd for an hour.

In regard to snipers, I don't think it would be practical to have snipers lurking everywhere US troops are stationed.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Spiffor


FuXx U SA

**** you Saudi Arabia. SA = Initials

[Spiffor]

I know that Shi. But I couldn't resist the pun

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I know that Shi. But I couldn't resist the pun

You are sooooo bad!

[Sandman]

That has to be some of the most bold faced lies I have heard in a while. I'm watching CNN and they're showing bullit holes in the build the soldiers were in, spent 7.68 ammo casings, and even a few captured AK-47s.

Please get your facts straight before spouting off.

I did not lie, I made it quite clear that this is what ITN news reported. If they were mistaken that's their fault.

Sandman: The level of training that US soldiers go through is far beyond that of any other army in history. I think it is bizzare for someone to think that US troops would "get scared" and open fire on crowd.

Generic training is not so important. What matters is training in crowd control. I have no idea how much training US soldiers get in this area, can you enlighten me?

[Ted Striker]

I think the only reason they were there was to protect Saudi ass from Saddam.

GP, why do you think it's a bad idea?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by monkspider
This is great news.

I don't know if it was intentional, but the juxtaposition of the quoted post and the one above (from Sandman) is mildly amusing, to say the least.

[TCO]

I'm not sure it's a bad or good idea. It just makes me a little uneasy. I think it is a bit of a trendy thing. I guess my major worry is engagement with the Saudi leadership.