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**amjayee** · April 21, 2001, 00:37

Cool! Hmm I'm England, interesting. I have the email of the others, what's The Diplomat's email address? And let's try to role-play this a little. Let's try to get some formality to the diplomatic negotiations. I will be sending email with "Diplomatic post" as the subject.

**VetLegion** · April 21, 2001, 08:03

good we started, so what do we do now?
negotiations period means I think we send emails around and arrange pact(s) and agreements, etc and then we send you the moves, right?

Italy ... interesting. Question: Tunis is not already taken? It is kind of my territory, I just have to take it?

**chrispie** · April 21, 2001, 09:48

hmmm, Turkey, I knew that would happen lol.

Vet, it's only part of your nation in terms of giving some structure to the map, anyone (other than me cos I'm gunna get hammered ) can take control of it - I think. So in otherwords, you are right.

Of course, I'm gunna be busy now, cos I'm trying to bring a basic MapManager into the program, and turn it all into one big .exe, so if I lose, that's my excuse, okay?

**VetLegion** · April 21, 2001, 10:09

Yeah, I got that now ... hey everybody, Tunis is MINE, mamma mia
Although I would feel at home in Austria, since where I now live is there (not that I am implying anyting Leland), under the name of Trieste too, the most unimportant village in the area

question: are all moves public? no fog of war?

chrispie: no exuse better than that

**S. Kroeze** · April 21, 2001, 11:16

Tunis is not already taken? It is kind of my territory, I just have to take it?

For the time being, Tunis is neutral territory, like Holland, Spain, Sweden, etc. One can conquer it by occupying it after Fall moves.

Are all moves public? no fog of war?

When the deadline has passed, I will make all moves publicly known by sending you an e-mail with all orders. No fog of war, neither dissemination delay!
There are variants of this game where moves are kept secret, but not so in the regular game.

Good luck!

**S. Kroeze** · April 22, 2001, 13:55

quote:

> Dear S.Kroeze,
>
> Indeed it sounds great that our game will finally begin. I am,
> however, in a hurry right now, so this mail will be a short one.
>
> I would just like to ask you if you could mail us all each other's
> email adresses, so we have them all gathered in one place.
> Obviously I could search Apolyton for a post made by e.g.
> Diplomat,
> but it would be much easier for us all if we had them all.
>
> That is all I have time for right now. You will recieve my move
> one of
> the following days.
>
> Sincere regards!
>
> The Joker

Dear Joker,

Thanks for your e-mail! I always like your enthusiastic reactions. I also think your request to make a list of the e-mail addresses of all participants might be a good idea. Yet I will not meet your wish, because as GM I think I should act in a completely neutral way, so I prefer to answer this kind of questions in our Off-topic thread: "I will be changing destination". I want to avoid any semblance of partiality. It is also a lot easier to post one message on the Apolyton board than to send seven e-mails each time someone of you has a general question about the game. Please put this sort of questions there!

By the way, you can find the address of the Diplomat in the thread: Amjayee has asked for it too!

Best wishes and good luck!

S.Kroeze

**ElmoTheElk** · April 22, 2001, 19:10

I was also thinking of publishing the mail adresses in one place, but then I thought: Hey, they already are, on the site! See http://www.ggs.f2s.com/index.php?pag...hp&opt=Contact . And Diplomat's mail adres is in a previous post here.

Yeah, Holland is neutral now. Not for long though I think! (One small step for blabla...)

btw: first question: let's say one of my first moved is F Kie-Hol, that means I earn a new unit (since I captured a suplly center). Where is the new unit created and where should the original be? And is the new unit an army or a fleet? Or am I totally wrong here? Hope not...

Elmo

PS. So I guess we have so start mailing each other making pacts now right?

**S. Kroeze** · April 22, 2001, 20:10

first question: let's say one of my first moved is F Kie-Hol, that means I earn a new unit (since I captured a suplly center). Where is the new unit created and where should the original be? And is the new unit an army or a fleet? Or am I totally wrong here? Hope not...

No, your general impression is quite right on this issue!

Each years consists of two seasons: Spring moves and Fall moves.
After each Fall season, the numbers of supply centres owned by every power are counted. Some powers who have expanded their territory, can build one or more new units during Winter. New units can only be built in one of the three (or four for Russia) original home supply centres, provided they are at that particular moment unoccupied and not under the control of a foreign power. The player may decide where the new unit(s) is/are placed and whether he builds an army or a fleet.
Players should send a list with their build/removal orders simultaneous with their Fall moves. This are quite important decisions to make.
(you can find this on page 8 of the rules, section XIII.2)

Good luck to you too!

[This message has been edited by S. Kroeze (edited April 22, 2001).]

**VetLegion** · April 23, 2001, 10:34

my mail account died folks, so I canot read mail
they will probably fix the server during the day...

btw, Joker, is your mail ok? as you know it gets flooded every few weeks (sourceforge informs us of this ), so is it ok to send mail there? perhaps you should open a web based account so you can access it from whichever exclusive holiday place you are at the moment and it wont be subscribed to everything, so no flooding?

S. Kroeze, I am sending you my moves as soon as my mail is fixed (today or tommorow)

**The Joker** · April 23, 2001, 13:32

Vet,

Actually I do use webmail (otherwise I would not be able to use mail at all these six months), so I don't hope Markos or Dan read this...

And although it might seem flooded to Sourceforge (which I am perfectly hapy about, since I do not have time to read all the mail coming from there) it is still perfectly possible to send normal (meaning mails filling less than ~2 MB) mails to me. So by all means do so!

Elmo,

You don't control more than 3 or 4 supply centers at the beginning of the game. All regions with a black dot in them are supply centers. The other ones are not, and so you don't get a unit for them. When you conquor more supply centers you will get more units, which you can place in one of your original supply centers if these are not occupied by a unit already, and if they are under your control.

And yes, we will play a turn a week.

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"All that monsters fear is the day."
- Kashmir

GGS Website

**The Joker** · April 23, 2001, 13:44

Argh!

I can't find Leland's email adress anywhere! It's not in his profile. Can someone help me?

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"All that monsters fear is the day."
- Kashmir

GGS Website

**S. Kroeze** · April 23, 2001, 14:25

Still don't understand 1 thing: If you have 3 units at the beginning of the game (4 for Russia), then how can you contol more then 3 (4 for Russia) supply centers?

Jokers answer is correct: Once conquered, a centre may be left vacant for as long as the player sees fit and the occupying Great Power may continue to maintain one unit on account of this supply centre so long as this centre is not occupied by another Great Power at the close of a Fall move. Note that occupation occurs only during the Fall move!
(page 8; section XIII.1)

Do we play 1 turn a week?

I think this is a pleasant game tempo. Most of you proposed something quicker, but I guarantee you that you'll need some time for negotiations. So as long as nobody disagrees fiercely, I think we should try how one season (Spring or Fall) every week works.

I can't find Leland's email adress anywhere! It's not in his profile. Can someone help me?

TempLeland gave me this address: jjakonen@mail.student.oulu.fi
I hope he allows me to pass it on.
[This message has been edited by S. Kroeze (edited April 23, 2001).]

**ElmoTheElk** · April 23, 2001, 15:27

OK. We had a little misunderstanding here. I meant, if a SS is left vacant, is it still under your control. But I guess so. And also, I propose that the game leader will always refister which SS is controlled by which emire, if needed.

To simplefy things, I made a search for all data we might need. Here it is:

DIPLOMACY FORUM POST
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Post: http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum38/HTML/000102-3.html

PLAYERS
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ENGLAND         Amjayee       amjayee@kolubus.fi

FRANCE          The Diplomat  jahoffmann@bsu.edu

GERMANY         ElmoTheElk    elmo@theelk.com

ITALY           VetLegion     simun.selak@fsb.hr

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY TempLeland    jjakonen@mail.student.oulu.fi

RUSSIA          The Joker     bjarkestaunolsen@forum.dk

TURKEY          Chrispie      chrisf_b@hotmail.com

Game Master     S. Kroeze     kroeze62@zonnet.nl

Contact: http://www.ggs.f2s.com/index.php?pag...hp&opt=Contact

ALL PROVINCES
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Alb	Albania

Ank	*Ankara

Arm	Armenia

Bal	Baltic Sea

Bar	Barents Sea

Bel	*Belgium

Ber	*Berlin

Bla	Black Sea

Boh	Bohemia

Bot	Gulf of Bothnia

Bre	*Brest

Bud	*Budapest

Bul	*Bulgaria

Bur	Burgundy

Con	*Constantinople

Den	*Denmark

Eas	Eastern Mediterrean

Edi	*Edinbrough

Eng	English Channel

Gal	Galicia

Gas	Gascony

Gre	*Greece

Hel	Helgoland Bight

Hol	*Holland

Ion	Ionian Sea

Iri	Irish Sea

Kie	*Kiel

Liv	*Liverpool

Liv	Livonia

Lon	*London

Lyo	Gulf of Lyon

Mar	*Marseilles

Mat	Mid-Atlantic

Mos	*Moscow

Mun	*Munich

Naf	North Africa

Nap	*Naples

NAt	North Atlantic

Nrg	Norwegian Sea

Nth	North Sea

Nwy	*Norway

Par	*Paris

Pic	Picardy

Pie	Piedmont

Por	*Portugal

Pru	Prussia

Rom	*Rome

Ruh	Ruhr

Rum	*Rumania

Ser	*Serbia

Sev	*Sevastopol

Sil	Silensia

Ska	Skagerrak

Smy	*Smyrna

Spa	*Spain

StP	*St. Petersburg

Swe	*Sweden

Swi	Switz. (Impassable)

Syr	Syria

Tri	*Trieste

Tun	*Tunis

Tus	Tuscany

Tyr	Tyrolia

Ukr	Ukraina

Ven	*Venice

Vie	*Vienna

Wal	Wales

War	*Warsaw

Wes	Western Mediterranean

(* are supply centers)

MORE DIPLOMACY INFO
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Lots of links: http://www.diplom.org/
Big .gif map: http://devel.diplom.org/Online/maps/standard_c.gif

More maybe later. I'm already defining my strategy.
Elmo

btw. It's really cool if everyone saves his e-mails and writes a litle comment to there moves each season, so that we can see afterwards where the breaktroughs were, etc...
[This message has been edited by ElmoTheElk (edited April 23, 2001).]

**S. Kroeze** · April 23, 2001, 17:00

Excellent work Elmo!! BRAVO!

Of course you can use these abbreviations, yet I was raised in another 'tradition' that used other abbreviations for the sea provinces than this list. For the time being you can decide for yourself which of the two you want to use.

ADS  -  Adriatic Sea

AEG  -  Aegean Sea

BAL  -  Baltic Sea

BAR  -  Barents Sea

BLA  -  Black Sea

EMS  -  Eastern Mediterranean

ENC  -  English Channel

GOB  -  Gulf of Bothnia

GOL  -  Gulf of Lyon

HEL  -  Helgoland Bight

ION  -  Ionian Sea

IRS  -  Irish Sea

MAO  -  Mid-Atlantic Ocean

NAO  -  North Atlantic Ocean

NTH  -  North Sea

NWS  -  Norwegian Sea

SKA  -  Skagerrak

TYS  -  Tyrrhenian Sea

WMS  -  Western Mediterranean

There are only three land provinces having a different abbreviation in this 'tradition':

Lpl  -  Liverpool

Lvn  -  Livonia

Nor  -  Norway

I propose that the game leader will always register which SS is controlled by which empire, if needed.

Good idea! Generally I am quite reliable when it concerns administrative duties; I've always been a fusspot!

[This message has been edited by S. Kroeze (edited April 23, 2001).]

**TempLeland** · April 23, 2001, 21:09

Oops, sorry about that email address... this is supposed to be a temporary account (hence the temp suffix ) so I haven't put in any contact information. I've been disconnected from the project for quite a time now, so perhaps when I return I'll pick an entirely new account again... just to symbolize a fresh start, sort of.

Anyway, in the above email address list amjayee's seems to be incorrect: it is amjayee@kolumbus.fi and not amjayee@kolubus.fi.

What kind of pieces/markers are you guys using to play by the way?

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