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[ElmoTheElk]

I haven't received antthing yet! Please mail me on elmo@theelk.com, elmotheelk@xs4all.com and/or 20006859@si.hhs.nl
The last one is a totally different server. Hope this works! Haven't noticed any other non-received mail though...

Elmo

[chrispie]

I'm confused...what happens now? when do we go onto the next turn? Is this weekends deadline only for unit retreats???? Am I panicing for nothing??

[S. Kroeze]

I'm confused...what happens now? when do we go onto the next turn? Is this weekends deadline only for unit retreats???? Am I panicing for nothing??

I hope you are just kidding! During Spring 1901 no single unit was dislodged, so no retreats did occur.
I hope to receive before 6 May 2001, 8.00AM (GMT) from all players orders for Fall moves, retreat orders for all those units that could possibly be dislodged as a result of Fall moves, and orders for Winter builds and/or removals. No orders, no builds!

I hope this answer is sufficiently clear!?

[S. Kroeze]

Dear belligerents in "SANGLOTS",

It has become clear to me, there are some problems with writing down support orders correctly.

Basically there are two different types of support orders:

1. Defensive support
A or F in province Q stands, A or F in province R S A/F Q stands
In this case the A or F in R should -according to the rules- be able to move to province Q
Example: A War sta, A Mos S A War sta

2. Offensive support
A or F moves from P - Q , A/F R S A/F P - Q
In this case the A or F in R should -according to the rules- be able to move to province Q
Example: A War - Ukr, A Mos S A War - Ukr

So you are always giving support to one designated unit -moving or holding-, not to a province!

Sincere regards,

S.Kroeze

[amjayee]

S.Kroeze: I noticed there were couple of orders that failed because of this kind of mistake. I was thinking, perhaps those orders should be accepted this one time, and the players should be more careful in the future? As far as I noticed, the orders are quite clear. What do you others think?

The Diplomat: Please don't take my backstabbing personally, I couldn't resist to gain such strategical advantage. This is just a game, where you are aiming to win. Careful consideration and also some mistakes by the French, and just look at my current position! Cool! And get the war room program I advertised earlier, with it it's easier to analyze the situations.

The Joker: Emergency! I can't send you any mail. Both your mailboxes are full, my mail bounces back. Do you have any other mailbox? Anyone else having similar problems?

[S. Kroeze]

quote: Originally posted by amjayee on 05-06-2001 09:00 AM S.Kroeze: I noticed there were couple of orders that failed because of this kind of mistake. I was thinking, perhaps those orders should be accepted this one time, and the players should be more careful in the future? As far as I noticed, the orders are quite clear. What do you others think? I know that F Rum S A Bul fails, because it should have been stated F Rum S Austrian A Ser-Bul, and it's hard to see why Russia hasn't understood how to state the support order; the rules are clear. I know it's hard for you as GM to accept this kind of orders. But I think the order is clear enough, and doesn't contain any chance for misunderstanding, so I think it should be accepted? Its consequences are after all quite significant. It doesn't really matter me much, but I think this one should be accepted, and next time players need to be more careful. Perhaps we should vote on this?

TempLeland:
The Russian order "F Rum S A Ser-Bul" is missing the nationality of the unit
he is supporting. However, I'd like to refer to rule VII.4: "An badly
written order, which nevertheless can have only one meaning, must be
followed". In my opinion, there is no mistaking that order to any other, and
it should have been carried out.

As the GM you are the final authority, of course, but I hope you will at
least take my swift appeal into consideration.

I wrote in the Spring 1901, game report:
IMPORTANT: When supporting or convoying a unit of another nation, this GM will only accept orders in which the nationality of that supported or convoyed unit is stated explicitly. An example using the present situation of the game:
ENG : A Wal - Spa, F ENC C A Wal - Spa
FRA : F MAO C (ENG) A Wal - Spa

As GM I should guard the interests of all players, which include Russia and Turkey!
Of course I knew from many years of experience that this sort of problems would arise sooner or later. So it was most intentionally that I wrote my warning with Spring 1901 orders. We will never know for sure whether Joker made this 'mistake' by accident or 'deliberately'. I do not believe in deciding this sort of issues by 'democratic' means. Turkey and its allies will probably vote one way, Austria and its allies will vote the other way. I do not want to force the Joker to take sides in the current situation. Now he can give Austria one explanation and Turkey another explanation!
In Diplomacy this sort of tricks are common practice, which is one of the reasons it is such a unique game.

Likewise we will probably never know for sure whether the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was bombed accidentally or deliberately!

Best wishes and good luck to you all!

S.Kroeze

[amjayee]

S.Kroeze: I see this now, I didn't think of that. I trust in your experience.

[ElmoTheElk]

I agree with you GM! Besides, very sneaky move England!

But 1 question, if an A or F can support an offensive move IF this A or F can move to it, then will (for example)
A Spa - Gas
A Par S A Spa - Gas
succeed in getting support?

Elmo

[S. Kroeze]

Dear Joker,

I have by now sent you the game report of Fall 1901 twice. It was both times sent back because your box contains already 551 messages. When you can receive mail again please inform me about it!

Sincerely,

S.Kroeze

[S. Kroeze]

quote: > S. kroeze, > > Since I own Spain and Portugal, shouldn't I get 2 new armies? > > "The diplomat"

Dear Diplomat,

I am sorry to disappoint you, but you will not receive any new unit.
I'll cite the rules:
"A country may have only as many armies and fleets on the board as it controls supply centres."
(Rules: page 1; section V)

At the moment France controls Paris, Marseille and Portugal = 3 supply centres.
'Why not Spain?', you will probably ask.

"Occupation of a supply centre by a Great Power occurs when one of its units is located in that supply centre after a Fall move has been played, complete with retreats....
Note that occupation occurs only during the Fall move; a unit which moves into a supply centre during Spring move and moves out of it during the Fall move of the same year does not affect the occupation of the centre"
(Rules: page 8; section XIII.1)

This is exactly what has happened: during Spring 1901 your army invaded Spain, during Fall it moved out again to Marseille. So at the end of Fall moves Spain was empty and still neutral!

But 1 question, if an A or F can support an offensive move IF this A or F can move to it, then will (for example)
A Spa - Gas
A Par S A Spa - Gas
succeed in getting support?

Since an army in Paris is allowed to move to Gascony, this support order
A Par S A Spa - Gas, is entirely possible and within the rules of the game.
It doesn't matter that Paris doesn't border Spain.
(Of course this support -like any support- can be cut, miswritten etc.)
A Par S F MAO - Gas is also a possible order.

[The diplomat]

Thanks S. Kroeze for the explanation.

Well, it looks like I have made several mistakes already which could cost me the game. I guess it shows I am a newbie at this game. But it is just a game so it is all in fun!

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[S. Kroeze]

I see some dispute here, just give me a day to catch up, I am not really sure what is happening? My armies havent moved, havent built anything (sigh, Tunis ) but I hope I can still play? Or have I become Neutrals because I havent submitted the move? I hope I havent, I d like to continue

Dear VetLegion,

I am glad to observe you are still alive and willing -and hopefully able- to pursue our game. When you will henceforth respect the deadline you can play on as if nothing happened.
Yet since NMRs are truly a disaster and most damaging to this game for the other players, I will be compelled to take measures when the same player makes this slip repeatedly.

IMPORTANT: When a player does not send me his moves in time twice, within a period of five seasons, I will throw him out of this game and seek a substitute!

No GM rejoices enforcing such measures, yet sadly enough they have proven to be sometimes necessary to guard the interests of the serious players.

Welcome back!

(I hope everyone will notice this warning...)

[VetLegion]

Everyone, sorry for missing the turn!! I went away from the city to the countryside on 2. may and I just returned, and there was no internet there. I was supposed to be there a day, I would have informed you all, but this was quite not planned by me

Sorry if I messed up any of your diplomatic plans (heh, seems I messed up myself best ). I certainly havent lost interest!
I see some dispute here, just give me a day to catch up, I am not really sure what is happening? My armies havent moved, havent built anything (sigh, Tunis ) but I hope I can still play? Or have I become Neutrals because I havent submitted the move? I hope I havent, I d like to continue ... my seem weak, but three Italian armies are as good as any six others!

Once again, sorry, but this was totaly unplanned

[ElmoTheElk]

Well Diplomat, we all are newbies to the game. And it's not that you have made a mistake, who can you trust at all?

Time for you to get things moving! If you pursuade other nations of England's misconduct, you can get into power....

Elmo

[The Joker]

Ok, my mailserver should be up and running again.

So S. Kroeze, if you could please send me the turn stats again it would be great.

And the rest of you, if you have sent anything to me the past few days then I have not recieved it. So it would be great if you would try sending it again soon. Thank you!

BTW I am home this weekend, and Friday too, due to a national holiday. So I will try to do some GGS work then. And I hope you are working as much as possible on it as well.

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