I will be changing destination

[TempLeland]

In the first situation you described, both B and C would succeed (if nothing else is going on, for instance someone else attacking B) and A would be dislodged. Also, I think that the support is cut even if the attack itself fails, and you cannot "cut" an attack, so there is really nothing that could stop B from cutting A from supporting another unit. (Wow.. a triple negative! ) Unless, of course, the support was given to an attack that was directed at B. In other words, if

A S C->B, B->A, C->B

Then B->A would fail and B would be dislodged (unless we are still assuming that B's attack is better supported than A's defense, in which case A would be dislodged). But however, if

A S X-Y, B->A, C->B

Then A's support would be cut regardless of whether B->A succeeds or not. Right?

[S. Kroeze]

quote: I have to say that also I was a little shocked and disturbed by the tone at which you S.Kroeze told VetLegion off. You make an impression that you are a truly cultivated person, so it was a little disappointment. Nevertheless, I'm happy the situation was cleared. I think taking this game a little less seriously and pondering the responses more carefully on your side (treating other people with respect regardless of their position or actions is the highest standard for a civilized human being) and a little more carefullness from our side should make this game more enjoyable for all of us. I think we all should aim to send draft orders already on Sunday or Monday. And when substitute orders are sent, we should remember to include all orders for that turn! That's what I will do at least. I hope we can all be in friendly conditions in the future.

Dear Amjayee,

I am also far more satisfied with the present solution.
I agree with you almost completely. It would have been far better not to show emotion. And though generally I consider myself rather cultivated, I am also quite difficult, demanding and short-tempered. It is no accident I am still single...

By the way, this remark of you, "pondering the responses more carefully on your side", do you want to imply that you do not like the way I answer questions here about the game in general? Or are you referring specifically to the far too emotional way I treated poor VetLegion? Because you should know that people will always be what they are: one can not deny one's true self. I am human after all, like it or not.
I am and probably will be more or less a perfectionist, highly critical, also of my own performance, irrespective whether it concerns a payed or a voluntary duty.
In the end, we are all here to suffer and to die..... so all distinguishing between important and unimportant is rather ephemeral.

Let's continue with some technical questions:
Then a game move question: if a unit in B attacks a unit in A, and meanwhile a unit in C attacks the unit in B, does the attack of the unit in B fail? Let's assume the attack frim B is better supported than the defense in A.

So we have A/F B-A with support, so it succeeds and the unit in A is dislodged
and A/F C-B which also succeeds since province B is empty (unless a stand-off occurs with an order A/F D-B)

What if the unit in A is giving support, unit in B tries to cut the support given by A by attacking A, and C attacks B to prevent the cutting of support, what happens? I know this is a complicated explanation, but this is a complex game in all its simplicity.

Now we have A/F A S some unit, A/F B-A and A/F C-B
Normally the support of the unit in A will be cut, unless this unit is not dislodged and giving support into province B, from where the attack originated. Normally when A/F B-A succeeds, A/F C-B would succeed too.

I think, TempLeland has answered your question perfectly:
'You cannot "cut" an attack'
I quite agree!

S.Kroeze

[amjayee]

S.Kroeze,

Don't worry, we all make mistakes, and it's perfectly understandable to be a human. Though generally since acting on the net you have more time to consider your words, I think it's wise to do so. Also I have no objection against your character, we are all different and that's makes this world interesting.

When I talked about pondering the responses more carefully, I meant mainly the VetLegion case. Though, giving very emotional answers to questions may hurt other people. The above statement about considering the words, since there is more time for it, implies here also. But never mind this, we don't need to talk about this anymore.

quote: Originally posted by S. Kroeze on 05-14-2001 06:45 PM In the end, we are all here to suffer and to die..... so all distinguishing between important and unimportant is rather ephemeral.

Though it's true we are here to die, suffering is a relative matter. It is up to you and your attitude if you suffer from something or not. Also about important and unimportant, in my opinion there are mainly two kinds of things: those that are always important, and those that are never important; though, there can be also really good things in this category, they are just the kind that you can live without.

And thanks for the answers, now I understand this game once again a little better!

[TempLeland]

What the heck just happened?

[ElmoTheElk]

!Whow! What happened to the board.
Looks great though

[TempLeland]

I was referring to Diplomacy...

[amjayee]

So what happened, Leland? I haven't noticed anything special. But the new forum is great, indeed!

This new forum is cool!

[TempLeland]

Well, I thought Diplomat and VetLegion finally got their acts together, but still there seemed to be some problems with their orders. NMRs for Diplomat, all units holding for Vet. Not that it bothers "The king of Austria-Hungary" though...

[amjayee]

Well, I guess Vet's units had nothing to do, and he had to wait to get his reinforcements from Tunis. About Diplomat, I don't know. But I felt a little disappointed that I got Paris so easily, and that they lost a unit; by taking Spain they would still have 3 armies. But well. Sorry that I have given you such a bad welcome, Diplomat!

[VetLegion]

I dont see any use for this subtitle

I like smilies on the other hand, I always wandered how to make the more advanced ones, but was too lazy to check



hehe. nice new features in the forums. ff


on game,
well, I dont know what do you think diplomat is supposed to do Leland, now that amjayee crushed him thoroughly

on the other hand, you are right about me, I really should have gone for Trieste. I ll do it next move then :

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by amjayee
Well, I guess Vet's units had nothing to do, and he had to wait to get his reinforcements from Tunis. About Diplomat, I don't know. But I felt a little disappointed that I got Paris so easily, and that they lost a unit; by taking Spain they would still have 3 armies. But well. Sorry that I have given you such a bad welcome, Diplomat!

It's ok. It is a game. We learn from experience. I hope to play more games in the future.

One day I will be really good at this game, then I will kick your butt.

[TempLeland]

One question: is it possible to retreat into a province with a supply center controlled by another country, but not currently being occupied by any unit (or being in a standoff)?

"Leland"

[S. Kroeze]

One question: is it possible to retreat into a province with a supply center controlled by another country, but not currently being occupied by any unit (or being in a standoff)?

Yes, it makes no difference whether this province contains a supply centre or not.

There are only three restrictions to retreats:

• a unit can only retreat to a province into which it could ordinarily move, so it should be adjacent and suitable to the retreating unit
• this province must be empty
• not allowed for a retreat are the province from which the dislodging attack came and every province left empty as a result of a standoff

[ElmoTheElk]

I want to shortly clearify my actions in Diplomacy:

I had some serious real life problems so I could concentrate very good. I was also working a lot lately and this all resulted in a litlle break down from my side. I'm oke now, really good actually, but I completely f*cked up with Diplomacy. I will not complain, it is all my fault, I should have send orders earlier. Please just keep on playing...

Elmo

[S. Kroeze]

Dear GGS'ers playing Diplomacy,

Unfortunately I have received no orders this season (Fall 1904) from Germany, which is governed by ElmoTheElk. Of course we can only guess at the cause, yet according to my own rulings I should try to find a substitute for Germany. I know from experience that I will not succeed here, since Germany fights a losing battle. So I have decided the game will continue its way and to avoid any unnecessary delay.

I can understand the frustration when confronted with superior forces.
Yet I would like to point out that when Germany would have sent in the best possible orders under the current circumstances (i.e. A Mun S F Kie-Ber, F Kie-Ber) the elimination of Germany could have been postponed one year. As a result Germany would at least have secured a sixth pace in the final list of rankings. Now it shares with France the bottom of the final rankings.

Not sending in orders always helps your enemies and disappoints your friends!

Sincere regards,

S.Kroeze (GM)