Banana: Diplomacy Thread #2

[scooterf]

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[scooterf]

Whats the chat room. I would be interested in watching

http://www.chatzy.com/525536961585

[sunrise089]

http://www.chatzy.com/525536961585

and the password is "papercup"

[Sullla]

Could someone email this attached screenshot to Donovan?

Donovan, here's the screenshot we were talking about last night, just to be clear on everything. You can move to two different tiles at the end to attack The Warning, so it should be tough for them to block you with any naval units. Remember, goal is to be on the red dot tile on T172 (with the full two galleons + six units), attack on T173!

Realms Beyond

[sunrise089]

2 issues:

1) Donovan can move a galleon with 3 units this turn and attack on T172. Since the attack is a one-move, any reason not to let him move the ship now?

2) Can't Imperio see the red dot from their hill?

[Broker33]

Can you clear them off the hill before the move the ship in?

[sunrise089]

Can you clear them off the hill before the move the ship in?

Doesn't matter - the hill tile should have visibility. At least it could see two tiles on land. Is water different?

[mostly-harmless]

No Imperio will see the the red dot staging area. The question is, will they bother to tell anyone, if they log in at all.

Alternatively we could just have Banana declare on Imperio and take Acre themselves and have a good reason for the galleon to be there.

mh

[mostly-harmless]

uhm guys. I believe Trebs and other siege units cannot attack from boats (anymore)! Make sure to tell that to Donovan.

mh

[Swiss Pauli]

Screenshot sent, and siege error pointed out:

Hi Donovan,

Here's the screenshot with the plan. Also, we were wrong about siege: they can neither bombard, nor attack from ships (the latter change being made in one of the more recent patches).

Cheers,

Team RB

[ruff_hi]

chat result ...

Spoiler:

Ruff_Hi hello?
DX Zoi hey
DX Zoi u still here?
shadyforce from x.x.x.63 joined the chat 11 hours ago
Kodii from x.x.x.234 joined the chat 11 hours ago
shadyforce all's quiet
Ruff_Hi very
DX Zoi I am here, from Team Banana. I'll be back in 5 minutes. If you'd like to begin posting matters, please do so and I will respond when I get back.
Kodii yup, and now I've got to run
Kodii Have a good chat
Ruff_Hi ok
DX Zoi I am back
DX Zoi So, what's going on?
DX Zoi Is there a better time available to chat for you all?
Ruff_Hi well - none of the Generals are here
Ruff_Hi I only posted your email about 6:15 about 30 minutes ago
shadyforce I think sullla is online... he may be here in a minute
DX Zoi I'm sorry I couldn't respond until then. I know it's short notice
DX Zoi If you'd like you could reschedule for 11pm EST
Ruff_Hi Sullla just posted in our main threat - he might be here soon
DX Zoi ...but I have about 30 minutes now if your generals become available.
DX Zoi I like how sunrise left 8 seconds on the turn for Imperio.
Ruff_Hi I think he is resetting the timer
Ruff_Hi he got home late from work and only just caught it before it rolled over
shadyforce if he had any lag at all, he would get nothing done
shadyforce in that 8 seconds
DX Zoi I know, but the way Naldo has been acting lately, I almost expect another forum blowout...
DX Zoi if he even comes back
DX Zoi I knew it wasn't intentional
DX Zoi Hey Ruff, you like how I changed my color for you?
shadyforce he did warn he would commit less time to the game, I guess a few turn skips was going to be inevitable
Ruff_Hi thx DX
DX Zoi How long are we going to g=hold the game for Imperio?
Ruff_Hi no idea
DX Zoi I am rarin' to GO!
Ruff_Hi guess we might have to reschedule this chat to 11pm
Ruff_Hi I will not be on - too busy sleeping at that time

[ruff_hi]

and the more interesting part ...

Spoiler:

shadyforce even Krill seems to favour using the 8 seconds save
DX Zoi One Imperio is gone, I can see us polishing off turns in 20 hours or less.
DX Zoi Just read it....seems he also wants to unpause the game as well.
shadyforce I hope he plays on, he is probably very disheartened though
DX Zoi Yes, it won't be much fun for you to roll over them....
DX Zoi what happens in that case?
DX Zoi If someone abandons the game?
regoarrarr from x.x.x.148 joined the chat 10 hours ago
DX Zoi and are at war?
shadyforce if Imperio disappears for good, I don't know... maybe Krill finds a sub?
shadyforce hi rego
regoarrarr hi
regoarrarr i'll be off and on - i'm watching the kiddos while my wife is at the doctor
DX Zoi Hello, regoarrarr.
regoarrarr hi
DX Zoi Ruff, do you want to just post an announcement for 11pm EST tonight?
DX Zoi And perhaps mention to sunrise of solution for the pause dileema?
DX Zoi We keep game paused for another 4 hours....after which we unpause it.
DX Zoi Or we just unpause it now.
shadyforce I'll post the rescheduled time in the forums, hopefully a few of our American generals will be online at that time
shadyforce I'll be sound asleep, midnight here now
shadyforce imo whoever is the game mod (Krill?) should just make a decision about the clock and that's it, shouldn't be up to anyone else
shadyforce team players like ourselves are just biased
DX Zoi hehe
shadyforce well yourselfanyway, I'm little more than a lurker, but still biased
DX Zoi I just posted a question to the Poly question, asking if I could unpause the game and begin.
DX Zoi ....though I guess I could be accused of bias as well.
shadyforce do each of the teams have the ability to pause/unpause the game?
DX Zoi I believe so. I think all I have to do is hit the pause button.
DX Zoi Not sure if that's the same when the host does it, although he was logged in a s sunrise
DX Zoi Well, shadyforce. I'm gonna run. If you could post the chat reschedule, that would be great!
shadyforce will do,I look forward to reading the results of a nice productive chat session tomorrow morning... see ya later
DX Zoi I'll do my best! Take care!
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sunrise from x.x.x.60 joined the chat 7 hours ago
sunrise hi scooter and maybe ruff
scooter hey sunrise
scooter trying to get myself all caught up on whats happened with this game... just joined a few days ago.
sunrise right - lots and lots of stuff going on
scooter yeah- been reading a lot to catch up. figured i'd watch this to better see what's up
DX Zoi from x.x.x.59 joined the chat 6 hours ago
DX Zoi Hello!
sunrise hi donovan!
sunrise hi broker
sunrise broker, what is your MSN chat?
sunrise donovan, how goes the game?
sunrise i saw another draft/whip this turn
sunrise
DX Zoi So far, so good.
Broker33 from x.x.x.239 joined the chat 6 hours ago
Broker33 broker_33@yahoo.com
Broker33 Nothing but consistant
DX Zoi Just getting started with whips etc.
DX Zoi Please tell me you will have Amphibious units.
sunrise you mean units with that promotion?
sunrise sadly, no
sunrise @Broker - "broker_33@yahoo.com" is your MSN name? I've not used MSN chat, but I am surprised that works
sunrise donovan, where have you left things with the team...what has been discussed about further operations?
sunrise and also, what is the state of your army, your navy, and PAL's army?
DX Zoi You don't have any level 4's with unfulfilled promos?
DX Zoi Nothing has been discussed at this point.
sunrise well it isnt just a matter of level 4, you need combat three and another promo, right?
Sullla from x.x.x.115 joined the chat 6 hours ago
DX Zoi Give me 2 min.. Brb sorry
Broker33 Thats what I login as. Apparently I set it up years ago. Didnt realize I still had it
Sullla greetings Donovan
sunrise excellent, hi Sullla!
sunrise this is good, since I wasnt sure where we were at in this discussion
Sullla hey there, when Donovan gets back we can start the discussion in full
Broker33 Hello Sulla I had a couple sightings of you in my thread
Sullla where, at Realms Beyond? I read all of the individual player threads there
Sullla I just can't comment much, because I know where everything is on the map
Broker33 makes sense although I thought I requested a 3 gold start
DX Zoi from x.x.x.10 joined the chat 6 hours ago
Sullla hi there Donovan, how are you doing?
sunrise @broker - I signed into yahoo messanger online. Can you use that? There is a webbased version and we both have yahoo accounts (mine is sunrise089)
DX Zoi Doing well, thanks. You?
DX Zoi Still waiting for PAL to make their move.
sunrise ok donovan, so to rehash - we do not have any units with the commando promotion. Can you give us a rundown of your current army and navy, and what units PAL has near your borders?
DX Zoi Not Commando, Amphibious
DX Zoi You may have problems taking Warning if you have to land
DX Zoi As far asour army goes:
Sullla well, first let's talk about the logistics of the attack
DX Zoi OK, let's do that first
Sullla Donovan, where exactly are your two galleons at the moment, if you don't mind us asking?
DX Zoi No problem. I have 2 galeys at Omni Point now, assuming that Acre would be your starting point as discussed
Sullla oh, then that's perfect!
Sullla here, let me pass on this screenshot to you:
Sullla http://www.apolyton.net/forums/attac...1&d=1248657691
Sullla can you see that?
DX Zoi I have a third Galleon, the TBS Discovery, which has finally located Thebes.
sunrise to clarify - 2 galleys and 1 galleon?
DX Zoi (which reminds me, I need to renew my cable subscription..)
DX Zoi no I cannot access that page
DX Zoi Sorry 3 galleons
Sullla hmm, we will have to email it to you tonight them
Sullla anyway, that's very good news
Sullla the idea is to load up two galleons with the max six units, move one tile east of Acre, and then boat the Warning in an ambhibious attack
DX Zoi Now, I can gift to a city in revolt, correct?
Sullla I think so
DX Zoi well, there you have it. we are on the same page
Sullla umm, we'd kind of rather have YOU make the attack on PAL, since we're not at war with them right now
Sullla we have a lot of war weariness from fighting Imperio
Sullla we would be willing to gift a couple of units to help out to - maybe half and half from each of our territories, something like that
DX Zoi Can you attack Amphibiously w/o the promo?
Sullla yes, just at a penalty
Sullla all units can attack amphibiously, unlike Civ3
sunrise of course we also need to move quickly. Do you have troops available donovan?
Sullla yes, time matters a lot, since PAL is researching Astronomy (3t)
sunrise oh! that is why you were so concerned donovan, right? Yes, all units can attack, they suffer a 50% penalty
sunrise that generally means 3 units to kill a defender rather than 2
DX Zoi Sure do, although one of the Omni Point galleons has already moved this turn
sunrise what sort of troops would you consider putting on the boats?
sunrise the PAL cap has what units in it again?
Sullla the defenders in The Warning should determine what goes in those galleons
DX Zoi well, the defender is a spearman.
Sullla lol
DX Zoi so I could cream it with a couple Maces
DX Zoi or just one
Sullla OK, here is what we're going to do, pay attention everyone
Sullla it is currently T171
Sullla Acre is undefended, we will walk into it and capture it this turn
Sullla Donovan, can you move both galleons with as many units as you can spare onto the tile one east of Acre at the end of next turn (T172)
Broker33 @sunrise I have messenger open
Sullla we can gift you Acre and you gift any extra units you need to fill up the boats on T171, so let us know what else you need
Sullla then on T173, you hit The Warning with six units. Raze, The Warning dead and gone
Sullla bam!
DX Zoi I can let you know more next turn. Can can definitely fit in a few units.
Sullla (sorry, the one line should have been "gift you" any extra units you need to fill up the boats")
Sullla it's important we coordinate together on this - we have to have six loaded boats ready on the key tile at the end of next turn, T172
Sullla we can chat it over and discuss as much as needed
DX Zoi The Warning also has a Caravel, and my advancement to discover Thebes my entice them to defend Warning a bit better
Sullla yeah, well, maybe that wasn't a great idea since you already had visibility into the city
Sullla still, a caravel IN the city is pointless!
Sullla it can't defend or do anything in there
DX Zoi actually, that was the last one I didn't have, and its their largest
sunrise right, and a galleon would have odds anyways, though I'd hate to chance it
DX Zoi (Thebes)
Sullla I'll send along the screenshot via email - that's all I have to say for tonight
DX Zoi One of their Caravels arready killed of one of Galleons on the east coast
sunrise ok, so you are cool with getting the 2 ships to the tile 1E of acre on T172?
DX Zoi ..but it was a ghost mission
sunrise good, they had their caravel luck
DX Zoi exactly
sunrise if you could, please don't do anything that could possibly get them thinking naval attack, so I'd not show them any ships or anything
Sullla so you are cool with getting the 2 ships to the tile 1E of acre on T172?
DX Zoi hey, can trebs attack or bomabrad from boats?
DX Zoi bombard
Sullla they can attack, not bombard
DX Zoi attack only, I'm guessing
Sullla Donovan, so you are cool with getting the 2 ships to the tile 1E of acre on T172?
DX Zoi well, I took out two of their Galleys last turn and they didn't do anything
DX Zoi yes
DX Zoi ne is wounded, but that shouldn't matter for this mission
Sullla cool, sorry to repeat but that's the key to the whole thing
DX Zoi I will have to see what I can come up with without leaving myself too open for attack
Sullla let us know 1) what you're going to load on them 2) if PAL has anything other than a spear in the capital and 3) we can gift you another unit or two if you need them
Sullla right, we understand
DX Zoi Oh, forgot to mention.....
DX Zoi They have an Artist wielding a pretty pesky paintbrush.
Sullla hmm, hopefully you can kill it before they use it
sunrise isnt the culture pretty much settled down there?
DX Zoi So, it goes away? I don't capture it?
sunrise yeah, it dies
DX Zoi fine w/me
DX Zoi it should be, though it's an angled road..mounted only within 1 turn
Sullla cool, I'm going to head off to bed, great talking with you
sunrise obviously donovan you need to keep yourself strong at home, but I'm sure it goes without saying that you put the best units possible into the galleons...city raider maces are good, as are cuirassiers
Sullla we'll probably chat again next turn - good luck!
DX Zoi Thanks, Sullla. Sounds like a great plan.
DX Zoi Thanks. You too?
sunrise i will head off as well - this attack will be really great donovan, cant wait to see your units
DX Zoi You too! I meant...
sunrise oh, donovan, do you move before or after pal?
DX Zoi before
sunrise ok
DX Zoi hey sunrise,, a couple things
sunrise sure
DX Zoi Horses by T172?
DX Zoi and are u planning other damage to mperio this turn?
sunrise horses this turn (the one we just ticked to)
sunrise Imperio won't loose any cities this turn....our exact unit movements aren't entirely certain yet
DX Zoi Will you be taking Acre this turn or next?
DX Zoi IF you took it this turn, I could have 1 Galleon ready this turn and would only attack if PAL had the 1 spear
sunrise oh, i see
sunrise yes, we will take acre
sunrise sorry, i was thinknig in terms of battles
sunrise (acre is empty)
DX Zoi from x.x.x.10 joined the chat 6 hours ago
sunrise you could move up a full galleon this turn?
sunrise with three units inside?
DX Zoi I believe so
DX Zoi I won't end my turn until Acre is secure
sunrise ok. There is also an issue that Imperio may be able to see your galleon. PAL cannot .
sunrise but i dont see any way of preventing that
sunrise how about this - i'm going to raise the issue in our forums and get back to you via email within the first 24 hours of the turn. Cool?
DX Zoi perfect. Thanks, sunrise
DX Zoi talk to ya soon
sunrise ok, I am out.. See ya!
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[Sullla]

DX Zoi Will you be taking Acre this turn or next?
DX Zoi IF you took it this turn, I could have 1 Galleon ready this turn and would only attack if PAL had the 1 spear
sunrise: how about this - i'm going to raise the issue in our forums and get back to you via email within the first 24 hours of the turn. Cool?

IF there's only a single spear in The Warning, then yes, definitely! However, there's a good chance PAL will produce another unit there at the start of next turn (production taking place). We should tell Donovan to plan for both the quick attack and the bigger at the same time; be ready to strike on T172 and/or T173.

Acre is going to fall this turn in either case, so there's no reason not to be in place for both.

[sunrise089]

IF there's only a single spear in The Warning, then yes, definitely! However, there's a good chance PAL will produce another unit there at the start of next turn (production taking place). We should tell Donovan to plan for both the quick attack and the bigger at the same time; be ready to strike on T172 and/or T173.

Acre is going to fall this turn in either case, so there's no reason not to be in place for both.

There is one reason. If Donovan moves in position this turn and PAL produces a unit then he just needs to sit tight for one turn. The catch is he sits tight where Imperio can see him. So moving earlier (which I still favor) does slightly raise the risk the plan will be detected.

[Kodii]

There is one reason. If Donovan moves in position this turn and PAL produces a unit then he just needs to sit tight for one turn. The catch is he sits tight where Imperio can see him. So moving earlier (which I still favor) does slightly raise the risk the plan will be detected.

Agreed, plus I don't think we have much reason to be afraid if Imperio sees the galleon. I doubt Naldo has much communication with PAL, and he missed the entire last turn.