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  • #16
    I think one of the reasons for the dual cities (besides incomplete historical research) is if you are only playing with one of the civs. Say you play with Romans, not England. Romans have Londinium. Vice versa, English get London. If both are used, then it seems that Civ isn't an historical recreation of history (which it isn't). Civ was meant to make your own history, so.....let there be one city of two names.

    I'm surpirsed your not complaining about something less trivial, such as the fact that Greece is led by a *gasp* Macedonian .
    I AM.CHRISTIAN

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    • #17
      though the double-names aren't a major problem, it is often strange to see "Londinium" and "London" on the same map...firaxis should have avoided this...

      to come back on the other issue of your initial post: You posted that you downloaded the "euro-patch" from a german site..was it the german or the uk-patch? If you have the "euro-english" (i.e. uk-version) of ptw you'll need another patch than for other european versions. You can download the uk-patch here: http://www.infogrames.de/products/pc...iv3ptw114f.exe
      www.civforum.de

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      • #18
        For the Greeks

        SOLUN E NAS

        Greetings from Macedonia
        I assure you Mr. Ambassador, we're not building a Doom's Day Machine
        Our source was the New York Times

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        • #19
          Originally posted by UberKruX
          wow, this could be the first on-topic greek-turk debate!



          it is kinda weird how they have the same city for 2 civs, but eh, just edit the city list, or remove the ottomans
          Maybe I'm dyslexic, but I don't see how Salonika and Thessalonica can be considered the same name.

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          • #20
            Ya know, there are worse things to get worried about than city names... I really agree with Switch. Why don't you complain about those odd continents and starting locations in a random map?
            cIV list: cheats
            Now watch this drive!

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            • #21
              Names of cities can be very important for some people.

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              • #22
                Re: For the Greeks

                Originally posted by Cvetin
                SOLUN E NAS

                Greetings from Macedonia





                Sorry, but i don't speak Bulgarian.
                "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                All those who want to die, follow me!
                Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                • #23
                  Hi Palaiologos
                  I don't speak Bulgarian too good myself either. Sorry for joining on this turk-greek nationalistic jibe with a Macedonian angle, but couldn't resist it ) (for those interested, and I don't see a reason why anyone would be, we Macedonians call Salonica Solun - the city where salt comes from. It had quite a large Macedonian population, kicked out or assimilated after the WW2 and the Greek genocide over nongreeks in nothern Greece)
                  I was slow to respond, went to your bella Athena for the New Year (first time I crossed the border at Evzoni since you embargoed us in 1991, 1992, not sure?). Say what's the deal with all the Pakistanis and Arabs in Athens? My friends almost got mugged on the street. Loved the soldiers in miniskirst though and had great weather.
                  Anyways Palaiologos Kira Henya to youu (or something like that, not sure if I remembered the exact line for Happy New Year
                  I assure you Mr. Ambassador, we're not building a Doom's Day Machine
                  Our source was the New York Times

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                  • #24
                    In the list of things I care about seeing fixed in CivIII PTW, this one has just replaced "typographical errors in the Civilopedia" for dead last. I would be insulted if someone at Firaxis wasted time trying to fix this problem when there are *dozens* of more important issues. Even the typing secretary in the back office of Firaxis could find something more useful to do than delete and compare names in text files.

                    Americans! Remove Houston and Dallas from your registers! Historically they were part of another country once!

                    If you really are THIS hard up to find something to complain about in your life, here, let me give you a stack of papers to grade from my students.
                    Friedrich Psitalon
                    Admin, Civ4Players Ladder
                    Consultant, Firaxis Games

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                    • #25
                      What a sad complaint.

                      Firaxis is simply reflecting what happens in history- the modern city of York as had various incarnations- as Eburacum, as a Saxon settlement, as the Viking trading centre Jorvik- so naturally each civilization comes equipped with its own list of names- some of which may be different names for the same city. The Mongol list contains names of cities they sacked and destroyed- so?

                      Londinium becomes Lundenwic becomes London- live with it and get over it.
                      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cvetin
                        Hi Palaiologos
                        I don't speak Bulgarian too good myself either. Sorry for joining on this turk-greek nationalistic jibe with a Macedonian angle, but couldn't resist it ) (for those interested, and I don't see a reason why anyone would be, we Macedonians call Salonica Solun - the city where salt comes from. It had quite a large Macedonian population, kicked out or assimilated after the WW2 and the Greek genocide over nongreeks in nothern Greece)
                        I was slow to respond, went to your bella Athena for the New Year (first time I crossed the border at Evzoni since you embargoed us in 1991, 1992, not sure?). Say what's the deal with all the Pakistanis and Arabs in Athens? My friends almost got mugged on the street. Loved the soldiers in miniskirst though and had great weather.
                        Anyways Palaiologos Kira Henya to youu (or something like that, not sure if I remembered the exact line for Happy New Year
                        1.I thought Skopjans spoke Bulgarian.
                        2.The deal with the Pacistanis and Arabs, is that they are far too many in Greece.It is a country of 9.700.000 natives and more than 1.500.000 immigrants. And most them criminals.
                        3. You mean Kali Chronia! What you said translates into New Time.

                        Well, happy new year to you too!
                        Hope you had a splendid time in Greece.
                        "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                        All those who want to die, follow me!
                        Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
                          In the list of things I care about seeing fixed in CivIII PTW, this one has just replaced "typographical errors in the Civilopedia" for dead last. I would be insulted if someone at Firaxis wasted time trying to fix this problem when there are *dozens* of more important issues. Even the typing secretary in the back office of Firaxis could find something more useful to do than delete and compare names in text files.

                          Americans! Remove Houston and Dallas from your registers! Historically they were part of another country once!

                          If you really are THIS hard up to find something to complain about in your life, here, let me give you a stack of papers to grade from my students.
                          I agree that there are many more serious problems in Civ3 than dual cities.

                          But it just doesn't look good to have a city named Salonika under Turkish ownership, and a few squares away a Greek Thessalonica.

                          You people from America simply can not understand what national animosity is all about.

                          It is like having an Iraqi or Yugoslav civ with New York and Washington in their city list. Not only it would be historicaly inaccurate, but also insulting for you.

                          Thessalonica was not founded by the Turks, and it is not controlled by them today.

                          If the Fireaxis criteria is an occupation of a city for a long time, then the Greek civ should have Alexandria and Jerusalem. But i am sure that when you think of Alexandria or Jerusalem as a Greek city in civ3, something doesn't feel right.

                          That is the way it is with Thessalonica.
                          "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                          All those who want to die, follow me!
                          Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by molly bloom
                            What a sad complaint.

                            Firaxis is simply reflecting what happens in history- the modern city of York as had various incarnations- as Eburacum, as a Saxon settlement, as the Viking trading centre Jorvik- so naturally each civilization comes equipped with its own list of names- some of which may be different names for the same city. The Mongol list contains names of cities they sacked and destroyed- so?

                            Londinium becomes Lundenwic becomes London- live with it and get over it.

                            There is no reason to be upset about my complaint, Molly Bloom.
                            "Military training has three purposes: 1)To save ourselves from becoming subjects to others, 2)to win for our own city a possition of leadership, exercised for the benefit of others and 3)to exercise the rule of a master over those who deserve to be treated as slaves."-Aristotle, The Politics, Book VII

                            All those who want to die, follow me!
                            Last words of Emperor Constantine XII Palaiologos, before charging the Turkish hordes, on the 29th of May 1453AD.

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                            • #29
                              It is threads like this that is going to inspire me to personally name all my cities as I build or capture them!
                              Can you imagine: "Home", "2nd", "3rd", etc.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Palaiologos


                                You people from America simply can not understand what national animosity is all about.

                                It is like having an Iraqi or Yugoslav civ with New York and Washington in their city list. Not only it would be historicaly inaccurate, but also insulting for you.

                                That is the way it is with Thessalonica.
                                Y'know, I was going to reply to this comment in a rather snide manner, but on second thought and reviewing the poster's remarks, I realize that he just doesn't get it.

                                Contrary to what you would like to believe, not all Americans are mindless, and I understand a lot more than you think. Do not presume upon me. That's what's insulting for me.

                                Lemme try this simply: It's a game, bub. Use the rename feature in the editor. And go outside and see the world sometime, while yer at it.

                                Sheesh. I wasted this much more time of my life responding to this guy. Won't make that mistake again.
                                Friedrich Psitalon
                                Admin, Civ4Players Ladder
                                Consultant, Firaxis Games

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