Oppositions to Arabs

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by gsmoove23
Atheism - Corruption increase because of lack of rules
Who says its wrong to skim a little off the top.

-- Usually legal codes and the increasingly ethereal notion of "business ethics".

Oh, ts, tsk, tsk. Is it really necessary to have a divinity peaking over one's shoulder, or live in fear of eternal retribution, to behave decently? Or (please, God! ) might there be some inherent possibility of human decency?

... Or shall I start on a "reductio ad absurdum" viz riutalistic murders in the name of Kali?

Oy,

Oz

[dirtstylez79]

If u ad religion to civilization its gonna end up a game like Age of Empire

No civ building or trading or diplomacy or advancement

plain stupid war all the time ,

even people between your civilization will fight themself
and its gonna be one of the dumbest game to play

Like the world today ,wich war is created by Religion and profit.

And dont even talk about Israel , because i know jewish people and they can even tell u that Isreal is the same thing as germany under nazi rule.

Big pot of BS for nothing , people there got the same bloodline and they will still fight 5000 years from now for a little piece of cake

[LionQ]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
and so on...

but serious: if there were religions in civ3, there should also be a percentage of faith.

100% means no science, no contacts to other religions, but also no unhappiness
[...]
0% means max. progress, but no temples, cathedrals and other religious happiness-productions

That's a good point, then you have to find the excellent balance between atheism or completely religious. But I don't think religion should be added more to the game then just the CivAbility: Religious. It's ok this way. Israel is a special case in this, because they are the only country with their religion, so if you'd add Israel to the game, you're immediately adding the Jewish Religion. With other Civs it isn't that way: America is not the defender of the Christly ( ) religion, for instance.

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by CivilopediaCity

That's a good point, then you have to find the excellent balance between atheism or completely religious. But I don't think religion should be added more to the game then just the CivAbility: Religious.

Agreed entirely -- as I mentioned above, religions have (in many cases) indulged in ritual murder, which I daresay Buddhism wouldn't condone -- so we'd have to get into the Civ "properties" of each religion ...

It's ok this way. Israel is a special case in this, because they are the only country with their religion, so if you'd add Israel to the game, you're immediately adding the Jewish Religion.

Hmm... But for the common set of enemies, it might be argued that Israel is really TWO Civs, a religious-Jewish one with Jerusalem as its capital, and a secular-Jewish one with Tel Aviv as its.

With other Civs it isn't that way: America is not the defender of the Christly ( ) religion, for instance.

Thank God for that -- except of course there is currently a very politically activist "Christian" right-wing in the good old U.S.ofA. who really believe that we are in the hallucinatory "End-Days" of the Book of Revelations and seem willing (nay, eager) to attempt to guide national policy accordingly ... Did I mention that part of the pre-requisite for this Biblical "Game-Over" is Armageddon?

Yours Fervently Behind Separation Of Church & State,

Oz

[ilcattolico]

America is not basically "English." America is a melting pot of people from all over Europe, Latin America & other regions of the world. America has its own culture and is very different from England.

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by ilcattolico
America is not basically "English." America is a melting pot of people from all over Europe, Latin America & other regions of the world. America has its own culture and is very different from England.

... which brings us back to my favorite (and perhaps unanswerable) question, "What is a civilization" -- back in the lonago 1980s, one of the editors of the Washington Post wrote a book called "The Nine Nations Of North America" which, irrespective of actual national boundaries, compelling identified nine geographically contiguous, very different cultural "nations", spanning from his albeit glibly named "Ecotopia" (the North Pacific coast from about the Big Sur to well north of Vancouver) to an essentially Latin Caribbean "nation" with Miami as its capitol. Each area was well-defined by economy and culture -- and that's after the 20th century incarnation of the Great American Melting Pot had largely done its job.

-Oz

[CrONoS]

Arabs...

not so many people here, told the fact that:

Arabs bring in Europa(in the middle age) , Aristote(dont know in english), Platon, Pythagore and a lot of old greek thinker...
Arabs was an advanced scientific society in the MiddleAge, mathematic, astronomy, chemistry(alchemy), and when Platon, Aristote, Pythagore was more know by European, he bring us Renaissance.

I've see some post here told us that if Arabs was in the game,why not Israel?
Because Arabs refer to the Middle Age and not now. Israel does not write history for now..( maybe in the futur... in next world war ) But Jews are represented in the game by Hebrews.

So have a nice day... sorry for my orthographic/syntax error.

See Ya

[sabrewolf]

cronos, nice summary of this thread

but hebrews aren't included in the game - that's one of the reasons of this 400+ post thread.

[Rust]

Originally posted by Sonic
Everyone is saying Arabs should be not in just for political reasons (or because they are racists). If computer games would be introduced in like 1930s now everybody would object Zululand (because they are blacks).

Yah I agree they shouldn't have been put in because they are sooo racist.

[Rust]

Re: Arabs...

Originally posted by cronos_qc
Arabs bring in Europa(in the middle age) , Aristote(dont know in english), Platon, Pythagore and a lot of old greek thinker...
Arabs was an advanced scientific society in the MiddleAge, mathematic, astronomy, chemistry(alchemy), and when Platon, Aristote, Pythagore was more know by European, he bring us Renaissance.

See I thought that was the Iranians, that were advanced, and the Arabs take credit for it.

[Martinus]

Re: Re: Arabs...

Originally posted by Rust


See I thought that was the Iranians, that were advanced, and the Arabs take credit for it.

Damn Arabs, taking credit for all those Iranians in Egypt and Moorish Spain

[Traelin]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
if we're going to be politicaly incorrect, i'll add my ideas too.. it's just humour, don't take it serious

catholicism: first 5 gold in each city goes to the capital (e.g. rome). advantage: helps converting people of smaller religions (like indios, african tribes)

ROFL that is too funny! I'm Catholic, yet I have to agree with your humor here.

[Traelin]

Originally posted by dirtstylez79
And dont even talk about Israel , because i know jewish people and they can even tell u that Isreal is the same thing as germany under nazi rule.

That's just plain silly and uninformed. But I'm not gonna go into this one, I'm just tired of defending the same points over and over again.

[Caliban]

Originally posted by Traelin


That's just plain silly and uninformed. But I'm not gonna go into this one, I'm just tired of defending the same points over and over again.

And again we got a nice little policy chat that has nothing to do with hte game!

[canadianbacon]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Hopefully we will get a world map that is at least marginally correct this time around. Did any of you ever play the other world map Firaxis put out? I never knew everything north of the 49th was covered in glacial ice but I guess it must be; after all that's how Firaxis portrayed it.

LOL, here I am, sitting in Vancouver, just above the 49th Parrellel(USA-Canada Border is 49th). I guess that little frost I saw on the lawn this morning is a precursor to the giant icefields waiting to slip down and lay waste to most Canadian Cities.

Its good for a laugh, isn't it? I guess someone doesn't like us up here too much!