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Great. Freedom of speech is something we Westerners discovered hundreds of years ago. Glad to know Qatar may actually leave the 16th century and join the 21st.
We are rediscovering it
Ibn Rushd (Avicenna) discovered it when u were burning witches
If you despise the West so much, might I suggest not buying a Western game? Why not go buy an Arab game? Oh, that's right. It's the Western culture that believes in free enterprise and creates works of art like CivIII.
Our ancestors discovered it long before then. The great Greek and Roman philosophers also gave it much thought and discourse.
At least our witch burning occurred centuries ago. Your region of the world is renowned for brutalizing people today.
Greeks and Romans are mixed more with the people of the middle east and north africa than with the north europeans.
I know u would love to identify yourself with whatever has the smell of the middle east.
As for the freedom of speech, that has been experimented over centuries like in Persia of Kurosh and the city states of Akkad, long before the Greeks and Romans even existed.
As for the buring, our people are brutalizing cause they are weak and we know who made them weaker than they were and who want to keep them as such
Originally posted by Traelin
If you despise the West so much, might I suggest not buying a Western game? Why not go buy an Arab game? Oh, that's right. It's the Western culture that believes in free enterprise and creates works of art like CivIII.
Chinese believe in free enterprise, there are millions of free copies in China which drives the west mad.
Furthermore, technology is universal.
How ethnocentric u are!
But that is only in our interest.
Please continue being so!
O and Sid Meier is a Jew, a semite just like me hahaahha for the case if you really want to give a reaction to the ethnocentric part
Right, this thread began on an interesting historic and philosophic note, swerved dangerously towards blind ideology, and got back on track, I thought, with some interesting and relevant opinions.
Now I'm reminded, by certain participants in the thread, of monkeys flinging dung at each other in cages in a zoo.
Why bother?? This wasn't an anti-anybody thread. There was a dangerous swerve towards anti-Semitism, which we recovered from, yet now we have degenerated from Arab history -- little studied and understood in America -- to brainless, witless, taunting, and inconsistent idiocies.
Alireza, frankly your views are idiosyncratic to an extreme -- which is fine, except not only are you OT but you tend to make sweeping statements without bothering to substantiate them in any fashion whatsoever. For all we know, you are brilliant and correct in your Nostradmus-like "predictions", but you evidently don't know history from a faery tale. Let's take one example: "Greeks and Romans are mixed more with the people of the middle east and north africa than with the north europeans."
Total nonsense. (1) both are Indo-European-- which Semite and Hamite are not. Both groups migrated southward to the Mediterranean. (2) The NORMANS conquered Sicily right around the time they conquered England. (3) The Italian peninsula was overrun by Goths, not Berbers (4) the German empire extended as far south as Rome; Moslem activity in that area of the Med was pretty much limited to piracy (5) There are quite a few modern "Greeks" with Viking blood in them, due to the Varangians becoming the palace guard at Constantinople ... Not to mentions Italians with significant Austrian heritage -- And all this is just the tip of the ethnographic iceberg.
Might I suggest you start a thread elsewhere, in one of the other sections on the site, for your rantings? Perhaps a discussion of imment, alternative energy sources to Middle and Near Eastern oil (corn-derived alcohol admixtures; hydrogen fuel cells; non-petroleum hydrocarbon reserves in Arctic ice) might help you focus on less vitriol and more humanity.
-Oz
... And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone and level sands stretch far away ...
Originally posted by CivilopediaCity
Well, that's kinda reaction, Oz. I'm thinking you're getting some on it, but it's OK with me.
*sigh* sorry for the but thanks for the support!
My dismay is twofold: one, Civ is a great GAME; two, it's a surprisingly flexible tool with which to model and study quite a few of the forces of history. And I state this latter from having not only extensively studied history but historiography as well.
So I find it exasperating when stubborn and uninformed opinions are expressed -- with the force of hatred! -- which have nothing at all to do with enjoying Civ either as a game or a tool or (best of all, of course!) both
Yours always in the too-often-vain hope for understanding and thereby compassion,
Oz
... And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone and level sands stretch far away ...
Originally posted by Ozymandias
Right, this thread began on an interesting historic and philosophic note, swerved dangerously towards blind ideology, and got back on track, I thought, with some interesting and relevant opinions.
Now I'm reminded, by certain participants in the thread, of monkeys flinging dung at each other in cages in a zoo.
Why bother?? This wasn't an anti-anybody thread. There was a dangerous swerve towards anti-Semitism, which we recovered from, yet now we have degenerated from Arab history -- little studied and understood in America -- to brainless, witless, taunting, and inconsistent idiocies.
Alireza, frankly your views are idiosyncratic to an extreme -- which is fine, except not only are you OT but you tend to make sweeping statements without bothering to substantiate them in any fashion whatsoever. For all we know, you are brilliant and correct in your Nostradmus-like "predictions", but you evidently don't know history from a faery tale. Let's take one example: "Greeks and Romans are mixed more with the people of the middle east and north africa than with the north europeans."
Total nonsense. (1) both are Indo-European-- which Semite and Hamite are not. Both groups migrated southward to the Mediterranean. (2) The NORMANS conquered Sicily right around the time they conquered England. (3) The Italian peninsula was overrun by Goths, not Berbers (4) the German empire extended as far south as Rome; Moslem activity in that area of the Med was pretty much limited to piracy (5) There are quite a few modern "Greeks" with Viking blood in them, due to the Varangians becoming the palace guard at Constantinople ... Not to mentions Italians with significant Austrian heritage -- And all this is just the tip of the ethnographic iceberg.
Might I suggest you start a thread elsewhere, in one of the other sections on the site, for your rantings? Perhaps a discussion of imment, alternative energy sources to Middle and Near Eastern oil (corn-derived alcohol admixtures; hydrogen fuel cells; non-petroleum hydrocarbon reserves in Arctic ice) might help you focus on less vitriol and more humanity.
-Oz
Oz,
I may not always see eye to eye with you, but I have to say you are one of the most well-versed people I've met WRT history. BTW, I didn't mean to rant, but I just hate it when people make stereotypical statements like he/she did, that's why I got fired up. Thanks for bringing the topic back to where it should be.
I may not always see eye to eye with you, but I have to say you are one of the most well-versed people I've met WRT history. BTW, I didn't mean to rant, but I just hate it when people make stereotypical statements like he/she did, that's why I got fired up. Thanks for bringing the topic back to where it should be.
Seeing eye to eye is one of the least important things to me, assuming of course that a conversation is carried on with dignity, intelligence and respect (which, needless to say, excludes stereotyping and all manner of willful ignorance) -- and it is for your exhibiting these virtues that I now deeply thank you! ... Not that an occasional rant isn't good for what ails you
Best Regards,
Oz
... And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone and level sands stretch far away ...
on it, but it's OK with me. 
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