Oppositions to Arabs

[Ikarus]

I have played the Civilization series for a very long time and consider myself an expert of civ 2 (soon civ 3), but I am newbie here. After browsing around the website I came across many people who were disappointed that the Arabs were introduced to the Play the World expansion. There argument was that the Babylonians and Persians are Arabs, and that, because of this, are not to be considered a civ.

I was just curious if these people felt the same way towards the Americans, as they are basically the English.

[Kramerman]

Well, basically the english in origins, I supose .
But tell us Italian/english/irish/scotch/slavic/polish that we are basically english and you'll get your ass handed to you...

Kman

[Inverse Icarus]

i object to the arabs eing in for pure geopgraphic reasons (on a world map). Persia, Babylon, the Arabs, Turkey (Ottomans), and the Egyptians, are all right next to eachother (the middle east).

meanwhile, the Aztecs can colonize all of south america realitavely unopposed... some Inca would help, no?

[Kramerman]

whats up Kapt'n KruX.

I agree, and I believe our Newbie friend here agrees as well. I hate how on the world map South America is just this giant void...*sigh*. Europe is packed with civs (and perhaps rightfully so), but now the middle east will be too. The Carthaginians will kinda clutter the medditeranian, but they will help fill the void of Africa, and the Mongolians and Koreans will be helpful in filling the Siberian void. But the entire friggin continent of SA will remain uninhabited. I guess I could always start the French there, afterall, who cares about the French?

Kman

[Ikarus]

Originally posted by UberKruX
i object to the arabs eing in for pure geopgraphic reasons (on a world map). Persia, Babylon, the Arabs, Turkey (Ottomans), and the Egyptians, are all right next to eachother (the middle east).

meanwhile, the Aztecs can colonize all of south america realitavely unopposed... some Inca would help, no?

Oooooo! , Another world map fan.
I'm also a big fan of Incas(and their UU, Inti Warriors) being introduced. In fact I replaced the Iroquois with them just this week in my world scenario.

But you say it would just be too crowded on the world map. Like it isn't already crowded over there in Eupore and the Mediteranean anyways.

Would you object to Arabs on a random map?

For you Incan fans:
-Incan capital: Qosqo or Cuzco
-UU: Inti Warriors: 2/1/1 warriors.
-Inti, I believe, is Quechuan for sun, which is the Incan god.

[Ikarus]

Originally posted by Kramerman
whats up Kapt'n KruX.

I agree, and I believe our Newbie friend here agrees as well. I hate how on the world map South America is just this giant void...*sigh*. Europe is packed with civs (and perhaps rightfully so), but now the middle east will be too. The Carthaginians will kinda clutter the medditeranian, but they will help fill the void of Africa, and the Mongolians and Koreans will be helpful in filling the Siberian void. But the entire friggin continent of SA will remain uninhabited. I guess I could always start the French there, afterall, who cares about the French?

Kman

I like France.
Especially the Armee de L'air of WW2.
Pierre Legloan and Dewoitine D.520 rule!

[Blue Moose]

Hmm, let's see here....humans originated in africa..so more time for various societies to develop in the surrounding area...might explain some things, no? Though, if anything, I don't see why you aren't complaining that they should just *add* some more civs, why bother removing any? At least they are giving as some of the older European civs, as the English, French, and Germans (as countries) are relatively young (though not as young as the USA). Heck, Egypt (the Egypt in civ III) was gone by the time England, France, and Germany become countries.

It would be nice to have some more civs from all over the world. There were a lot more Civs in Asia, and a lot more in the Americas too. Where are the Mayans? Heck, you could have 60+ good, strong historical civs, I'm sure...quite easily. It is not too hard. It's just too bad you can't have *real* alternative civs....think of the Iroquois who traded with the Incas and with selective breeding had domesticated riding Llamas....ahh...that would be cool. Heh.

-Moose

[Panag]

hi ,

if they go for N-africa its fine , .....

but they should only be in if the Israeli are in , ....

Firaxis , please include them !

have a nice day

[JtheJackal]

What I want to know is why no one to my knoledge has objected to the Celts?

[Blue Moose]

Originally posted by JtheJackal
What I want to know is why no one to my knoledge has objected to the Celts?

Heck, what about objecting to Spain? England, France, Germany, and Spain are not only the same area of the world, but those countries have existed during the same time periods. At least the Celts are before this.

-Moose

edit: grammer

[Hagbart]

Both the Celts and Arabs are fine choises. It's just too bad the Incas or Mayans wont be in PTW.

[Imran Siddiqui]

but they should only be in if the Israeli are in

Why? The Arabs empire spaned from Spain to India at one point. The Israelis have never had an empire close to that size. Not to mention their skill in the sciences and trading.

[XarXo]

Israelis are always managing the money of the traditional occidental civs. They are more a sector of a occidental society than a tribe like for example (and is JUST and example) gypsies. We only can see them as a tribe looking their home country, and this is only possible from the III bC to the II aC century and the XX one. In the old times (in the King David period) they are just another small-medium kingdom.

Also, if you say me "they created the biggest religion in the world" I have to remember that they DON'T believe in that religion. The international successful of it borns with the simple faith of the original people. If they were israeilian is pure casuality. That's all.

Finally, if you want put israelinians for the XX/XXI centuries problems, I see that like a prize for create disorder in an area that could stayed in order if everybody respected the UN original treat.

About the actual situation, everybody can say me that the problem is what is doing the other, but I can remember a man: Issac Rabin. Who killed him?

Everybdoy should solve their problems. About Jerusalem, why not bicapitality like Vatican City/Rome, it is two cities in one. Create a special peace/religious area with the old city (regented by a open-minded council, 50%/50%) or a new small state, build the new hebrew temple under the two mosques and everybody is happy. (BTW, you will finally discover if the Arc is inside).

[Kingof the Apes]

well, back to the topic...

Arabs are a good choice for a civ. So are Israelis, Celts, and Spanish.

Why? Because they all left their mark on the world.

Celts, who are the least well known of the bunch, traded extensively throughout Europe(and into India I beleve).

I would like the incans to be in.

[XarXo]

I want Incas too