I can't believe this..

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by Trip


Like I said earlier, maybe we should start up a list of people who we know to be 'real' civ players, and not just rush-players. We could put it in a thread and sticky it in the Civ 3 MP forum, and keep a tally of the number of complaints for each person on the list. With, say, 3 complaints of 'devious tactics' (), then they get blacklisted and can go play the AI for a while.

Whaddya guys think?
If the rush is as rampant as we fear it will be, certainly something like that will be necassary to keep the integrity of the game?

I'll second that

I guess we'll see if the mods have considered this idea when the time comes. Learn from Locutus from the CtP forums and his MP signup Topped threads

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Trip


Like I said earlier, maybe we should start up a list of people who we know to be 'real' civ players, and not just rush-players. We could put it in a thread and sticky it in the Civ 3 MP forum, and keep a tally of the number of complaints for each person on the list. With, say, 3 complaints of 'devious tactics' (), then they get blacklisted and can go play the AI for a while.

Whaddya guys think?
If the rush is as rampant as we fear it will be, certainly something like that will be necassary to keep the integrity of the game?

i'd join in here too...

but what do you define as rushing? just warrors? or chariot/horsemen too? what should players of civs like aztecs, zulu or iroquois do? they want to trigger GA but if rushing isn't allowed?

don't get me wrong: i sucked in AoE2 MP because my first barrack was built when the enemy stormed my village with 20+ soldiers... that's why i hate rushing

[sabrewolf]

ming: i'd love to see a free choice of traits and maybe even UUs!

but noone would choose scientific, commercial and expansionist... even less than in SP...

[notyoueither]

You wouldn't chose expansionist? Never say never.

[Grumbold]

I choose them all in SP because I decide which nation I want to play, not which traits. Commercial certainly used to be one of my favourites before patches and tweaks to the optimum city numbers made corruption less crippling. I won't be playing MP for the sorts of reasons Vel highlights. If you need to employ trick tactics to circumvent the games' intended rules to keep your head above water then I don't want to play.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You wouldn't chose expansionist? Never say never.

not in MP.
MP-games should go reasonably fast --> smaller world sizes --> expansionist trait far weaker than on huge maps.

commercial is disadvantageous for the same reason... because it won't be endless building, corruption shouldn't be that big issue as in SP.

[notyoueither]

How does religious or scientific help you when you get rushed by the exp-mil civ on a small map?

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by notyoueither
How does religious or scientific help you when you get rushed by the exp-mil civ on a small map?

in my earlier post i also said, scientific won't be chosen.

religious: cheap temples...
not good against warrior rush, but it does help to have bigger cities and so usually better production. q.e.d

[notyoueither]

Which would you chose?

[Grumbold]

The bigger culture border from temples might give you that extra turn or two to prepare defences and rush a few more troops....

[notyoueither]

Not really. Think about it.

[Grumbold]

Think about what? Are you presupposing a rush so early that there are no roads yet?

[notyoueither]

You don't get road bonus in territory you do not have ROP with. There are no roads were the warriors or horsemen approach from. What difference does it make?

[vondrack]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You don't get road bonus in territory you do not have ROP with. There are no roads were the warriors or horsemen approach from. What difference does it make?

nye, I think Grumbold referred to the fact that you can "see" a larger territory, so you are warned a bit earlier there is an invasion force coming.

[notyoueither]

That is true. 1 extra turn, maybe 2.

I hope it's worth it.