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Session Start: Fri Mar 21 23:50:43 2003
Session Ident: Togas
Session Ident: Togas (~tom_ogas@209-78-90-10.co.tulare.ca.us)
Togas: what's the news?
vondrack: I will ask few questions
vondrack: you may choose to answer, you may choose to not answer
vondrack: it is up to you, but it would help me if you could answer
vondrack: are you researching Monarchy?
Togas: We're working on Monarchy
vondrack: How many turns to completion?
Togas: hard to say
vondrack: it would be enough to give the number reported by the game
vondrack: I do not need an exact figure
Togas: aprox 21
vondrack: ok, thanks... now, the news
vondrack: we were sort of "saving" two goody huts for "later times"
Togas: you guys are too lucky
vondrack: oh, yes, definitely
vondrack: popping them only after making contact and catching up tech-wise
vondrack: guess what, the second one gave us Monarchy
Togas: you're kidding me.
vondrack: nope
Togas: that really sucks for us.
vondrack: maybe not
vondrack: I am here to propose a deal you might like
vondrack: it should benefit both of us
vondrack: let me address some concerns of ours first
vondrack: you will better understand the deal once I propose it
vondrack: 1)
vondrack: Lego is lucky
vondrack: TOO lucky
vondrack: we do not really want to go around and tell everyone
vondrack: it would be quite likely that others would develop a negative attitude towards us
Togas: an envious attitude
vondrack: yep, envy
vondrack: or at least, felt like "lucky bastards, they will see in the future"
vondrack: 2)
vondrack: we DO wish to honour our pre-game treaty
vondrack: even if you might thought otherwise
vondrack: we do not want to mess with your plans
vondrack: trading Monarchy around would help us little and harm you much
vondrack: SO:
vondrack: we would prefer if it never became known we popped Monarchy out of a hut
vondrack: that said, we see no reason to simple throw the lucky pop away...
vondrack: we would thus like to make a deal that would result in YOU marketing Monarchy
vondrack: however you see fit, giving us gold in exchange
vondrack: I will now present the deal proposal
Togas: go ahead
vondrack: though there is one "glitch" I will address afterwards
vondrack: keep in mind, this is a proposal to start from, not an ultimatum
Togas: understood
vondrack: what you told me about you research is approximately what we though it would be like
vondrack: actually, we thought it would be little bit better, but nevermind
vondrack: I will go with the original figures
vondrack: we would be willing to sell you Monarchy for 300 gold, exclusive resale rights included (hang on, there is more to it!)
vondrack: the timeline would be as follows:
vondrack: 1) as soon as you are able to pay 150 gold, we sell Monarchy to you
vondrack: 2) you would agree not to switch to Monarchy till a certain turn (82?) - I will explain later, why
vondrack: 3) as soon as you would be able to pay the rest (150 gold), you would be able to trade Monarchy around at will
vondrack: now, why "2)"
vondrack: 'cause that's what I assume you will like least
vondrack: there is a certain general knowledge about how fast this or that team can research
vondrack: we actually based our own estimate of your research output
vondrack: or various bits of info collected from different sources
vondrack: and it was more or less sufficiently accurate
vondrack: that means, if we could have done it, everybody can
vondrack: if you switched to Monarchy too early, others would find out
vondrack: from the F3 screen (mil adv)
Togas: other would find out we either got it from someone or got it from a goodie hut
vondrack: yep exactly
vondrack: and the only team having the chance to pop huts is Lego, that's widely known
vondrack: the only other teams even remotely able to research it on their own
vondrack: would be perhaps GS (known to research Rep)
vondrack: and MAYBE GoW (no idea about how they are doing)
vondrack: but those are known to research Construction
Togas: GoW found an island off their coast w/ goodie huts
vondrack: hmmm... it was an island off OUR coast
vondrack: anyway, even if others never find out FOR SURE
Togas: You guys sure are secretive
vondrack: we (and you) would be likely to be suspected, I think
vondrack: now, if you switch to Monarchy not immediately now, but in a few turns
vondrack: you will:
vondrack: 1) confuse others as to your actual research power
vondrack: 2) stir little or no suspicions
vondrack: note, please, that you will STILL be in Monarchy sooner than if researching it on your own
vondrack: since what I am talking about is like just a couple of turns
vondrack: if it's turn 76 now
Togas: @6 turns
vondrack: something like that, yes
vondrack: so, it should not be a big deal, I hope
Togas: This is an interesting proposal, indeed
Togas: Your nation is extremely fortunate and very powerful.
Togas: Spain has been in a decline, this is our 2nd tech in a row that we've been beaten to by Goodie Huts
vondrack:)
vondrack: don't worry
vondrack: no more goodie huts
Togas: our budget is in dissary due to our excessive military expendatures
Togas: which is why our research has slowed down
vondrack: the reason for being this "secretive"
vondrack: is that even though we do want to help you, guys, BIG TIME with this
vondrack: we do not want other teams (GoW, ND) know
vondrack: since we are keen on maintaining good relations with all of them for the time being
Togas: and we did not receive a bounty of cash from Lux, nor have we been as active traders as GoW, so our coffers are not very full
vondrack: that should not be a big problem (the treasury)
vondrack: since you will have to shut down your research anyway
vondrack: no techs to research
Togas: 300g is an impossible feat for Spain
vondrack: we would be willing to work on a payment schedule
Togas: and this tech won't be marketable to anyone other than GoW
Togas: Maybe ND, but we're afraid to give it to them.
Togas: everyone else will go Republic
vondrack: see, if you had to research it on your own, it would have cost you more than 300 gold...
vondrack: effectively
vondrack: and we do not ask for the money NOW
vondrack: as I said, we would be willing to split the payment into two or more parts
Togas: it's not like we have the money, though
Togas: I'm serious. I'd like to get Monarchy from you. 20 turns off is a great deal for us
vondrack: possibly postponing a significant portion until after you go into Monarchy
vondrack: I know, 20 turns @ about 20 gold... probably more
vondrack: nm
vondrack: if you need to make it 100+200, or 100+100+100... whatever
vondrack: we want to accomodate you
Togas: We won't be able to buy Construction or Currency
vondrack: you will be able to buy Construction or Currency
vondrack: I mean, trust me, I guarantee it
Togas: Maybe it's best that you guys just sit on it for a while.
Togas: I'd like to change governments, but the cost would kill my nation's economy.
vondrack: well, that's what I was basically suggesting
vondrack: since there would be 6 turns before you'd go into Monarchy anyway
vondrack: if you shut down your research now and stockpile money
vondrack: you will easily be able to make the first payment on turn 82
Togas: Let me ask my experts to see what they think... hold on.
Togas: I've got ET online. He's going to check the #s for me.
Togas: Explain about Construction & Currency
Togas: I'm worried. Seems like we're going to become a 2nd world nation soon if we have to keep buying all our tech
vondrack: re: Curr & Constr... not yet... trust me, you will be able to get it
vondrack: for the moment, forget about them, focus on the Monarchy deal
Togas: What you have to understand is that we've never paid more than 40g for a tech.
vondrack:
Togas: tech values are lousey. 300g is like asking us to take out a 2nd mortgage
Togas: I assume they'll go up at some point. Can't always stay this low
vondrack: sure... and you have never been buying exclusive rights to a government tech
vondrack: ... how much you paid for Monarchy exclusive last time?
vondrack: j/k
vondrack: plus, keep in mind that you will be able to switch to Monarch like 14 turns earlier
Togas: Right now my experts are debating in the background
vondrack: ok, let's give them time
Togas: ET figures we can afford 10gpt and still be able to carry through our upgrade project.
vondrack: 10gpt is 200g altogether...
vondrack:
Togas: I know.
vondrack: you wanna save big time, right?
vondrack:
Togas: you're asking a rather poor nation to cough up an extremely large amount of money
Togas: I'd LOVE to save big time, but that's not really my highest priority.
Togas: 300g = 7.5 swordsmen.
vondrack: well, what about this:
vondrack: 10gpt + 50 gold on turn, say, 100
vondrack: would that be acceptable?
vondrack: that's half-way, actually postponing the +50gold for a looong time
Togas: let me find out...
Togas: my people are considering it. The price is payable, it's just that we are staring down a future with no research of our own
Togas: and that fact really bothers us.
Togas: we are discussing this.
vondrack: no research of your own?
vondrack: like you would have no money to fund it?
Togas: We'd adjust the slider into the 30-40 range for sci
Togas: which is marginal, but not really worth it, so the guys are saying we may as well go 0%
vondrack: yes
Togas: and be forced to buy techs
vondrack: is there any way to restructure the payment schedule to better suit your needs?
Togas: the thing is, gold is what we need
vondrack: I hope you should be doing better under Monarchy, commerce-wise
vondrack: gold? what for?
Togas: a little better, I'm sure.
Togas: we have 9 warriors what want to be upgraded
vondrack: I see
Togas: and we pay extra gold each turn for upkeep, as we have too many mil units
vondrack: yeah, that explains why your research slows down...
vondrack: seems like you, guys, are getting ready for a war...
Togas: we're getting prepared. ND attacked Lux with a stack of 6
Togas: that was a thousand years ago
vondrack: I see
Togas: We've kept up our military with theirs, mil advisor indicates we're equal
Togas: but ansars appear with chivalry
Togas: and Riders appear with chivalry
Togas: we're getting ready for the Dark Ages of the Bob Continent
vondrack: yes, that is wise, I guess
Togas: Can you let us know, what are you guys researching now?
vondrack: Currency
Togas: You have construction?
vondrack: yes
vondrack: that was the first hut, before the Monarchy one
vondrack: no need to comment
Togas: :P :P :P
Togas: hold on...
Togas: How much are you guys going to charge us for Currency & Construction?
vondrack: no gold?
Togas: assuming we do this deal, we're going to be short of cash for any future deals.
vondrack: what about gifting them to you on turn 83 (that's when we will have Currency) and getting your first medieval tech later in exchange?
vondrack: I would suggest researching Engineering at 10%...
Togas: Wait. You'd give them both to us?
vondrack: in exchange for Engineering, yes
Togas: let me toss this to the experts ... hold on
Togas: My guys have a proposal
vondrack: go ahead
Togas: Can we use communication with Vox to lower the cost?
vondrack: nope, sorry, we are getting it this turn from another team
Togas: when would you have currency?
vondrack: as I said, you would get it on turn 83, together with Construction
Togas: Would our World Map lower the cost?
vondrack: nope, sorry, no need for the map
vondrack: not to sound too tough...
vondrack: we already have the map of Bob
vondrack: that's why we do not need it
Togas: you guys are going to leave us in the dust.
Togas: wow.
vondrack: in the dust?????
Togas: zoom past us
vondrack: Togas!
vondrack: I thought you would be happy about the deal...
Togas: I am to some extent.
Togas: I'm just coming to realize how my nation is falling behind, is all.
Togas: not your fault
vondrack: keep in mind, please, that this way, you will go medieval at the same time as everybody else, while otherwise, you would be stuck researching Monarchy for like 10 turns, missing on the "medieval research start" completely
Togas: sure, we jump forward with everyone else, but we really just hover around the starting line.
vondrack: better than nothing
vondrack: btw, I would not worry about falling behind... you are going to gain quite a bit by the instantaneous gov change over us, e.g.
Togas: not really
vondrack: oh?
Togas: our support drops from 4 free per city, to 2 free per city
Togas: we make up for it when we build about 3-4 more cities
vondrack: do you have just small cities?
Togas: but we crawl through most of the 20 turns
Togas: yes
Togas: My guys tell me that Constr+Currency for Engineering is an even trade
vondrack: yep, 36 for 36
Togas: I'm just trying to think if there's something else I can do...
vondrack: we might be able to accomodate you on the cash flow
Togas: how so?
vondrack: well, we would like to get at least 250g for Monarchy
vondrack: but we are flexible on when you'd pay the money
vondrack: actually... at least...
vondrack: I was instructed to ask for 300g
vondrack: but I believe I would be able to explain that 250g is the most we can get
vondrack: try coming up with your own proposal of a payment schedule
Togas: I'm sure you can. Negotiations ... each side gives a little, you know.
Togas: My guys suggested this: We give you 50g five turns after we stop paying you 10gpt
Togas: So it's sort of like doing 10gpt for 25 turns.
vondrack: hmmm... sounds doable, I think
vondrack: it's like turn 102, right?
vondrack: now it is 77
vondrack: you start paying on this turn, finish in turn 96
Togas: Now is 76, I think
vondrack: 76 is gone
vondrack: 77 being played
Togas: let me check...
Togas: we still have turn 76
Togas: 76 = 1100bc
vondrack: that's impossible
vondrack: we (Lego) have already played 76
vondrack: oh
vondrack: 76 = 1100bc
vondrack: then yes
vondrack: it's 1100BC now
vondrack: anyway, not a big deal
vondrack: 50g 5 turns after blah blah blah is ok
Togas: My guys are still debating the Constr + Currency for Eng trade
Togas: and since that trade wouldn't happen for several turns, let me get back to you on it.
vondrack: ok, np
Togas: I'm leaning towards accepting it, but my #s guys have to do a review.
vondrack: hmmm... wonder what they find out
Togas: Probably that it's 36=36
Togas:
vondrack: LoL
vondrack: yes
* Togas shrugs
Togas: I told 'em I'd hold off on that trade for now
Togas: anyhow, let's formalize....
vondrack: plus that thing with going medieval, not missing the start of medieval and such...
vondrack: ok
Togas: We give 10gpt to Legoland this turn
Togas: You give Monarchy
Togas: You agree not to give/sell/trade Monarchy to any other nations.
Togas: we agree not to change governments until turn 82
Togas: We agree to pay you 50g five turns after our 10gpt runs out .... (turn 102?)
vondrack: yep, that would be ok
Togas: Oh, and ET wanted me to add this ... tell me if this is OK:
vondrack: yes?
Togas: If any nations change government prior to turn 82, the "turn 82 clause" is voided ... meaning we can change early.
vondrack: If any nations change government TO MONARCHY prior to turn 82, the "turn 82 clause" is voided.
vondrack: but that will not happen
Togas: Right. he was concerned mostly about republic
vondrack: remember why we asked for the clause
vondrack: it was not to slow you down, but sort of cover the deal
Togas: I understand, but we're worried about slowing down too much.
Togas: Do you know if GS will finish Republic within the next 10 turns?
vondrack: I do not think I am at liberty to tell you, sorry.
Togas: Do you guys have a trade for Republic worked out?
vondrack: not finalized yet, but working on it
Togas: Will you be changing to Republic within the next 10 turns?
vondrack: no
Togas: ... hold on.
Togas: OK, I think I've calmed the natives
vondrack: natives?
Togas: As a part of this deal, we both agree it will remain utterly confidential
Togas: natives = spaniards
vondrack: of course (re: confidential)
Togas: We will tell no one about any of this, nor will Legoland reveal this deal to anyone
vondrack: TOP SECRET
vondrack: yes, agreed
Togas: AND we will basically agree to lie, say that we researched Monarchy
vondrack: do you have to keep saying this?
vondrack:
Togas:
Togas: Just want to make it clear. We're willing to agree.
vondrack: I mean, Togas... you, the Master of the Words...
vondrack: yep, ok
Togas: OK, I'm going to authorize my guys to send 10gpt to you this turn.
vondrack: will you send a written treaty or shall I?
Togas: If you would send it, I'd be grateful, I'm almost done at the office and need to head home in 30 mins.
vondrack: ok, I will send it within an hour or two
vondrack: hopefully, it is simple enough to put together
vondrack: even for me
Togas: Yes. You can just cut & paste from this chat log
vondrack: ok
Togas: include the confidentiality portion
vondrack: yep
Togas: and we will get back to you about the other trade in a day or two.
vondrack: ok, fine
* Togas whew!
* vondrack whew, too!
Session Ident: Togas
Session Ident: Togas (~tom_ogas@209-78-90-10.co.tulare.ca.us)
Togas: what's the news?
vondrack: I will ask few questions
vondrack: you may choose to answer, you may choose to not answer
vondrack: it is up to you, but it would help me if you could answer
vondrack: are you researching Monarchy?
Togas: We're working on Monarchy
vondrack: How many turns to completion?
Togas: hard to say
vondrack: it would be enough to give the number reported by the game
vondrack: I do not need an exact figure
Togas: aprox 21
vondrack: ok, thanks... now, the news
vondrack: we were sort of "saving" two goody huts for "later times"
Togas: you guys are too lucky
vondrack: oh, yes, definitely
vondrack: popping them only after making contact and catching up tech-wise
vondrack: guess what, the second one gave us Monarchy
Togas: you're kidding me.
vondrack: nope
Togas: that really sucks for us.
vondrack: maybe not
vondrack: I am here to propose a deal you might like
vondrack: it should benefit both of us
vondrack: let me address some concerns of ours first
vondrack: you will better understand the deal once I propose it
vondrack: 1)
vondrack: Lego is lucky
vondrack: TOO lucky
vondrack: we do not really want to go around and tell everyone
vondrack: it would be quite likely that others would develop a negative attitude towards us
Togas: an envious attitude
vondrack: yep, envy
vondrack: or at least, felt like "lucky bastards, they will see in the future"
vondrack: 2)
vondrack: we DO wish to honour our pre-game treaty
vondrack: even if you might thought otherwise
vondrack: we do not want to mess with your plans
vondrack: trading Monarchy around would help us little and harm you much
vondrack: SO:
vondrack: we would prefer if it never became known we popped Monarchy out of a hut
vondrack: that said, we see no reason to simple throw the lucky pop away...
vondrack: we would thus like to make a deal that would result in YOU marketing Monarchy
vondrack: however you see fit, giving us gold in exchange
vondrack: I will now present the deal proposal
Togas: go ahead
vondrack: though there is one "glitch" I will address afterwards
vondrack: keep in mind, this is a proposal to start from, not an ultimatum
Togas: understood
vondrack: what you told me about you research is approximately what we though it would be like
vondrack: actually, we thought it would be little bit better, but nevermind
vondrack: I will go with the original figures
vondrack: we would be willing to sell you Monarchy for 300 gold, exclusive resale rights included (hang on, there is more to it!)
vondrack: the timeline would be as follows:
vondrack: 1) as soon as you are able to pay 150 gold, we sell Monarchy to you
vondrack: 2) you would agree not to switch to Monarchy till a certain turn (82?) - I will explain later, why
vondrack: 3) as soon as you would be able to pay the rest (150 gold), you would be able to trade Monarchy around at will
vondrack: now, why "2)"
vondrack: 'cause that's what I assume you will like least
vondrack: there is a certain general knowledge about how fast this or that team can research
vondrack: we actually based our own estimate of your research output
vondrack: or various bits of info collected from different sources
vondrack: and it was more or less sufficiently accurate
vondrack: that means, if we could have done it, everybody can
vondrack: if you switched to Monarchy too early, others would find out
vondrack: from the F3 screen (mil adv)
Togas: other would find out we either got it from someone or got it from a goodie hut
vondrack: yep exactly
vondrack: and the only team having the chance to pop huts is Lego, that's widely known
vondrack: the only other teams even remotely able to research it on their own
vondrack: would be perhaps GS (known to research Rep)
vondrack: and MAYBE GoW (no idea about how they are doing)
vondrack: but those are known to research Construction
Togas: GoW found an island off their coast w/ goodie huts
vondrack: hmmm... it was an island off OUR coast
vondrack: anyway, even if others never find out FOR SURE
Togas: You guys sure are secretive
vondrack: we (and you) would be likely to be suspected, I think
vondrack: now, if you switch to Monarchy not immediately now, but in a few turns
vondrack: you will:
vondrack: 1) confuse others as to your actual research power
vondrack: 2) stir little or no suspicions
vondrack: note, please, that you will STILL be in Monarchy sooner than if researching it on your own
vondrack: since what I am talking about is like just a couple of turns
vondrack: if it's turn 76 now
Togas: @6 turns
vondrack: something like that, yes
vondrack: so, it should not be a big deal, I hope
Togas: This is an interesting proposal, indeed
Togas: Your nation is extremely fortunate and very powerful.
Togas: Spain has been in a decline, this is our 2nd tech in a row that we've been beaten to by Goodie Huts
vondrack:
)vondrack: don't worry
vondrack: no more goodie huts
Togas: our budget is in dissary due to our excessive military expendatures
Togas: which is why our research has slowed down
vondrack: the reason for being this "secretive"
vondrack: is that even though we do want to help you, guys, BIG TIME with this
vondrack: we do not want other teams (GoW, ND) know
vondrack: since we are keen on maintaining good relations with all of them for the time being
Togas: and we did not receive a bounty of cash from Lux, nor have we been as active traders as GoW, so our coffers are not very full
vondrack: that should not be a big problem (the treasury)
vondrack: since you will have to shut down your research anyway
vondrack: no techs to research
Togas: 300g is an impossible feat for Spain
vondrack: we would be willing to work on a payment schedule
Togas: and this tech won't be marketable to anyone other than GoW
Togas: Maybe ND, but we're afraid to give it to them.
Togas: everyone else will go Republic
vondrack: see, if you had to research it on your own, it would have cost you more than 300 gold...
vondrack: effectively
vondrack: and we do not ask for the money NOW
vondrack: as I said, we would be willing to split the payment into two or more parts
Togas: it's not like we have the money, though
Togas: I'm serious. I'd like to get Monarchy from you. 20 turns off is a great deal for us
vondrack: possibly postponing a significant portion until after you go into Monarchy
vondrack: I know, 20 turns @ about 20 gold... probably more
vondrack: nm
vondrack: if you need to make it 100+200, or 100+100+100... whatever
vondrack: we want to accomodate you
Togas: We won't be able to buy Construction or Currency
vondrack: you will be able to buy Construction or Currency
vondrack: I mean, trust me, I guarantee it
Togas: Maybe it's best that you guys just sit on it for a while.
Togas: I'd like to change governments, but the cost would kill my nation's economy.
vondrack: well, that's what I was basically suggesting
vondrack: since there would be 6 turns before you'd go into Monarchy anyway
vondrack: if you shut down your research now and stockpile money
vondrack: you will easily be able to make the first payment on turn 82
Togas: Let me ask my experts to see what they think... hold on.
Togas: I've got ET online. He's going to check the #s for me.
Togas: Explain about Construction & Currency
Togas: I'm worried. Seems like we're going to become a 2nd world nation soon if we have to keep buying all our tech
vondrack: re: Curr & Constr... not yet... trust me, you will be able to get it
vondrack: for the moment, forget about them, focus on the Monarchy deal
Togas: What you have to understand is that we've never paid more than 40g for a tech.
vondrack:
Togas: tech values are lousey. 300g is like asking us to take out a 2nd mortgage
Togas: I assume they'll go up at some point. Can't always stay this low
vondrack: sure... and you have never been buying exclusive rights to a government tech
vondrack: ...
how much you paid for Monarchy exclusive last time?vondrack: j/k
vondrack: plus, keep in mind that you will be able to switch to Monarch like 14 turns earlier
Togas: Right now my experts are debating in the background
vondrack: ok, let's give them time
Togas: ET figures we can afford 10gpt and still be able to carry through our upgrade project.
vondrack: 10gpt is 200g altogether...
vondrack:
Togas: I know.
vondrack: you wanna save big time, right?
vondrack:
Togas: you're asking a rather poor nation to cough up an extremely large amount of money
Togas: I'd LOVE to save big time, but that's not really my highest priority.
Togas: 300g = 7.5 swordsmen.
vondrack: well, what about this:
vondrack: 10gpt + 50 gold on turn, say, 100
vondrack: would that be acceptable?
vondrack: that's half-way, actually postponing the +50gold for a looong time
Togas: let me find out...
Togas: my people are considering it. The price is payable, it's just that we are staring down a future with no research of our own
Togas: and that fact really bothers us.
Togas: we are discussing this.
vondrack: no research of your own?
vondrack: like you would have no money to fund it?
Togas: We'd adjust the slider into the 30-40 range for sci
Togas: which is marginal, but not really worth it, so the guys are saying we may as well go 0%
vondrack: yes
Togas: and be forced to buy techs
vondrack: is there any way to restructure the payment schedule to better suit your needs?
Togas: the thing is, gold is what we need
vondrack: I hope you should be doing better under Monarchy, commerce-wise
vondrack: gold? what for?
Togas: a little better, I'm sure.
Togas: we have 9 warriors what want to be upgraded
vondrack: I see
Togas: and we pay extra gold each turn for upkeep, as we have too many mil units
vondrack: yeah, that explains why your research slows down...
vondrack: seems like you, guys, are getting ready for a war...
Togas: we're getting prepared. ND attacked Lux with a stack of 6
Togas: that was a thousand years ago
vondrack: I see
Togas: We've kept up our military with theirs, mil advisor indicates we're equal
Togas: but ansars appear with chivalry
Togas: and Riders appear with chivalry
Togas: we're getting ready for the Dark Ages of the Bob Continent
vondrack: yes, that is wise, I guess
Togas: Can you let us know, what are you guys researching now?
vondrack: Currency
Togas: You have construction?
vondrack: yes
vondrack: that was the first hut, before the Monarchy one
vondrack: no need to comment
Togas: :P :P :P
Togas: hold on...
Togas: How much are you guys going to charge us for Currency & Construction?
vondrack: no gold?
Togas: assuming we do this deal, we're going to be short of cash for any future deals.
vondrack: what about gifting them to you on turn 83 (that's when we will have Currency) and getting your first medieval tech later in exchange?
vondrack: I would suggest researching Engineering at 10%...
Togas: Wait. You'd give them both to us?
vondrack: in exchange for Engineering, yes
Togas: let me toss this to the experts ... hold on
Togas: My guys have a proposal
vondrack: go ahead
Togas: Can we use communication with Vox to lower the cost?
vondrack: nope, sorry, we are getting it this turn from another team
Togas: when would you have currency?
vondrack: as I said, you would get it on turn 83, together with Construction
Togas: Would our World Map lower the cost?
vondrack: nope, sorry, no need for the map
vondrack: not to sound too tough...
vondrack: we already have the map of Bob
vondrack: that's why we do not need it
Togas: you guys are going to leave us in the dust.
Togas: wow.
vondrack: in the dust?????
Togas: zoom past us
vondrack: Togas!
vondrack: I thought you would be happy about the deal...
Togas: I am to some extent.
Togas: I'm just coming to realize how my nation is falling behind, is all.
Togas: not your fault
vondrack: keep in mind, please, that this way, you will go medieval at the same time as everybody else, while otherwise, you would be stuck researching Monarchy for like 10 turns, missing on the "medieval research start" completely
Togas: sure, we jump forward with everyone else, but we really just hover around the starting line.
vondrack: better than nothing
vondrack: btw, I would not worry about falling behind... you are going to gain quite a bit by the instantaneous gov change over us, e.g.
Togas: not really
vondrack: oh?
Togas: our support drops from 4 free per city, to 2 free per city
Togas: we make up for it when we build about 3-4 more cities
vondrack: do you have just small cities?
Togas: but we crawl through most of the 20 turns
Togas: yes
Togas: My guys tell me that Constr+Currency for Engineering is an even trade
vondrack: yep, 36 for 36
Togas: I'm just trying to think if there's something else I can do...
vondrack: we might be able to accomodate you on the cash flow
Togas: how so?
vondrack: well, we would like to get at least 250g for Monarchy
vondrack: but we are flexible on when you'd pay the money
vondrack: actually... at least...
vondrack: I was instructed to ask for 300g
vondrack: but I believe I would be able to explain that 250g is the most we can get
vondrack: try coming up with your own proposal of a payment schedule
Togas: I'm sure you can. Negotiations ... each side gives a little, you know.
Togas: My guys suggested this: We give you 50g five turns after we stop paying you 10gpt
Togas: So it's sort of like doing 10gpt for 25 turns.
vondrack: hmmm... sounds doable, I think
vondrack: it's like turn 102, right?
vondrack: now it is 77
vondrack: you start paying on this turn, finish in turn 96
Togas: Now is 76, I think
vondrack: 76 is gone
vondrack: 77 being played
Togas: let me check...
Togas: we still have turn 76
Togas: 76 = 1100bc
vondrack: that's impossible
vondrack: we (Lego) have already played 76
vondrack: oh
vondrack: 76 = 1100bc
vondrack: then yes
vondrack: it's 1100BC now
vondrack: anyway, not a big deal
vondrack: 50g 5 turns after blah blah blah is ok
Togas: My guys are still debating the Constr + Currency for Eng trade
Togas: and since that trade wouldn't happen for several turns, let me get back to you on it.
vondrack: ok, np
Togas: I'm leaning towards accepting it, but my #s guys have to do a review.
vondrack: hmmm... wonder what they find out
Togas: Probably that it's 36=36
Togas:
vondrack: LoL
vondrack: yes
* Togas shrugs
Togas: I told 'em I'd hold off on that trade for now
Togas: anyhow, let's formalize....
vondrack: plus that thing with going medieval, not missing the start of medieval and such...
vondrack: ok
Togas: We give 10gpt to Legoland this turn
Togas: You give Monarchy
Togas: You agree not to give/sell/trade Monarchy to any other nations.
Togas: we agree not to change governments until turn 82
Togas: We agree to pay you 50g five turns after our 10gpt runs out .... (turn 102?)
vondrack: yep, that would be ok
Togas: Oh, and ET wanted me to add this ... tell me if this is OK:
vondrack: yes?
Togas: If any nations change government prior to turn 82, the "turn 82 clause" is voided ... meaning we can change early.
vondrack: If any nations change government TO MONARCHY prior to turn 82, the "turn 82 clause" is voided.
vondrack: but that will not happen
Togas: Right. he was concerned mostly about republic
vondrack: remember why we asked for the clause
vondrack: it was not to slow you down, but sort of cover the deal
Togas: I understand, but we're worried about slowing down too much.
Togas: Do you know if GS will finish Republic within the next 10 turns?
vondrack: I do not think I am at liberty to tell you, sorry.
Togas: Do you guys have a trade for Republic worked out?
vondrack: not finalized yet, but working on it
Togas: Will you be changing to Republic within the next 10 turns?
vondrack: no
Togas: ... hold on.
Togas: OK, I think I've calmed the natives
vondrack: natives?
Togas: As a part of this deal, we both agree it will remain utterly confidential
Togas: natives = spaniards
vondrack: of course (re: confidential)
Togas: We will tell no one about any of this, nor will Legoland reveal this deal to anyone
vondrack: TOP SECRET
vondrack: yes, agreed
Togas: AND we will basically agree to lie, say that we researched Monarchy
vondrack: do you have to keep saying this?
vondrack:
Togas:
Togas: Just want to make it clear. We're willing to agree.
vondrack: I mean, Togas... you, the Master of the Words...
vondrack: yep, ok
Togas: OK, I'm going to authorize my guys to send 10gpt to you this turn.
vondrack: will you send a written treaty or shall I?
Togas: If you would send it, I'd be grateful, I'm almost done at the office and need to head home in 30 mins.
vondrack: ok, I will send it within an hour or two
vondrack: hopefully, it is simple enough to put together
vondrack: even for me
Togas: Yes. You can just cut & paste from this chat log
vondrack: ok
Togas: include the confidentiality portion
vondrack: yep
Togas: and we will get back to you about the other trade in a day or two.
vondrack: ok, fine
* Togas whew!
* vondrack whew, too!
They almost paid us 300
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