Roleplayers - correspondence & foreign affairs

[vondrack]

Treacherous.

Other than that, I have nothing to add/change. Unless others come up with something today, go ahead and PM GoW with this fine, almost worthless message...

[redstar1]

Fantastic ZargonX, you are a great loss to the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office We conquered a quarter of the world with messages such as that

[vondrack]

OK, more follow-up info:

Sending my own personal PBEM savegame to Hot_Enamel this morning, I added the following paragraph:

BTW, following GhenghisFarb's persuasive PM stating you could see our continent in the PtWDG (which we considered 99% impossible), we went through all of our past savegames and found out one we apparently did not pay attention enough to - many many turns ago, there was a corner of a shrouded tile with a very little bit of lighter, perhaps coastal waters in it, which we oversought at that time). We are quite certain (99% that it is not Bob, most probably just a small island mid-way, but we are sailing there to find out. Our galley will be there in no time (1-2 turns) and we will get back to you once we know more. It now seems likely we could make contact with you shortly.

And this is Hot_Enamel's response:

GF was very excited when I posted our chat session on our forum. He has not provided our team with a copy of the PM he has sent you yet.

We are very keen on meeting up with you, and will structure a deal which will be very profitable to us both.

GF has something in mind obviously, and I dont want to steal his thunder.

Speak to you soon
Hot_Enamel

Interesting that their leader makes us an official trade proposal without even letting his teammates know what it's about...

[Tiberius]

I hope this won't give you ideas, Radek

[Nimitz]

Well I had a chat with Togas I think you'll find it very intresting. So I'll post it.

Session Start: Wed Mar 05 19:50:21 2003
Session Ident: Togas
Chat with Togas
Waiting for acknowledgement...
DCC Chat connection established
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[19:50] hello
[19:50] hey
[19:50] now you want that news
[19:51] yes
[19:52] well we found a way to get contact faster
[19:52] how?
[19:53] we have found an island in between us and your continent
[19:53] up north
[19:53] hmmm
[19:53] you know, GoW said something to us about that island
[19:54] but would that be faster? Going north?
[19:54] it should cut the time to 6 or 7 turns
[19:54] from now?
[19:54] well not to you but we could get to GoW
[19:54] in that time
[19:54] ah. Damn. They'll probably try to sell us contact with you guys
[19:55] right
[19:55] that will though get contact with us faster
[19:55] depends on how much they charge us ... and if they want to sell it at all
[19:55] they might just try to keep you to themselves
[19:56] they can't if they wont sell some one else will
[19:56] ND will most likely spot the ship
[19:57] why is that?
[19:57] because we'll be landing near old lux terr
[19:58] on our eastern shore?
[19:58] yes
[19:58] ???
[19:58] so you guys will probably find vox very soon, right?
[19:58] ok whats wrong now
[19:58] wait
[19:58] west shore
[19:59] ok. good.
[19:59] our east your west
[19:59] yes
[19:59] it can get confusing
[19:59] Let us know when you're close. We could send a warrior up the coast to try to meet you sooner
[20:00] we'll we're on the way now
[20:00] so I'd have one waitint
[20:00] waiting
[20:00] afk sec
[20:00] ok
[20:03] back
[20:04] let us know when you've contacted GoW
[20:04] so you like the latest news
[20:04] I think this is pretty good news
[20:04] we thought it would go over well
[20:04] I'd rather you not contact GoW first, though ...
[20:04] well that can't be helped
[20:05] anyhow, when we do get contact, what shall we trade?
[20:06] can you wait on MM till we get contact
[20:06] or have you made a deal already
[20:07] probably not. I told adaMada to make a deal with GoW on Monday and he's already written them about it
[20:07] well to bad
[20:07] do you have anything else?
[20:07] we might be able to do else wise if we knew what you got
[20:08] latest
[20:08] hasn't changed since last time, I'm afraid.
[20:09] We would like to aquire currency and construction, but I think ND is working one of those
[20:09] ok well then if you wait on for us then we may have a trade
[20:09] not on those techs
[20:09] on some thing else
[20:10] we may have a tech you you don't when we meet
[20:11] well, if we meet soon ... 6-8 turns, will you have anything new?
[20:12] if things don't change yes
[20:12] yes? you will have something new?
[20:12] I mean if its not traded for be for we meet
[20:12] some may get it
[20:13] I'm confused. What technology do you have?
[20:14] I'm not aloud to say at this moment
[20:15] the pres needs to ok the situation first
[20:16] ... I don't see how it's fair that I tell you what tech we have, but you can't tell me what techs you have
[20:16] but needless to say we will have a tech you need if it is not discovered over there first
[20:17] its not my choise
[20:18] you need to have a serious talk with your leaders
[20:18] we are supposed to be at least trying to work together on technology
[20:19] they want to wait till we meet no idea why
[20:20] maybe they don't want to be stuck with a bad deal
[20:20] they are this way to all
[20:20] I understand that, but there's no reason to be secretive about what techs you have and don't have
[20:21] ya well I'll be FAm soon so maybe
[20:21] good. Betahound is always way too paranoid. With the ISDG in particular
[20:22] how
[20:22] putting locks and passwords and super security on everything
[20:22] hes Vox FAM
[20:22] he wouldn't give the save game to anyone in the ISDG unless you promised not to use it improperly
[20:22] OH, I mean vondrack. Sorry
[20:23] uhhuh
[20:23] hes not that way with legoland
[20:23] I don't know why he's like that in ISDG at all
[20:24] maybe the way people act in the PtW-DG
[20:24] hard to say. The PtW-DG still lacks any real participation from the masses
[20:24] might change when we start getting contact, though
[20:25] well there have been some early problem with the rules
[20:26] some tried stuff they should not of
[20:26] not in lego land but
[20:27] but anyhow, back to this game, the Legolanders seem to see us as a threat for some reason, and it bothers me. We are not a threat to Legoland. We aren't going to invade you guys ever, we don't think you're going to attack us ... there's no reason for any hostility
[20:28] ND has got us worried
[20:28] we gave you guys Carthage and hoped that you'd help us out a little later on in the game, though.
[20:28] we will in the ways we can
[20:28] that's one thing that's been on our mind ... how do we get contact with Legoland so that we can start using our alliance.
[20:29] well that is solved
[20:29] we'll deal with ND. They're our threat and GoW's threat. We're trying to solve it diplomaticly.
[20:29] ya but one thing bugs me why let lux fall
[20:29] they could of helped
[20:30] Lux fell because Trip was not prepared to fight a war. He gambled and lost.
[20:30] I though it was all about keeping balance
[20:30] he treated ND like a AI civ ... thinking they would just continue to REX ... they didn't. They got scared of Trip, built warriors, upgraded them with iron and kicked Trip's ass.
[20:31] that does not eplain why you did not help lux
[20:31] we were in the middle of REX just like Trip
[20:32] The war was very early. VERY early
[20:32] I warned you
[20:32] how so?
[20:32] thing were looking like wars would stat
[20:33] all the agressive posturing
[20:33] yeah, when you poke at a bee hive, the bees come out and sting you
[20:33] you didn't think a war would come this early
[20:33] I did
[20:34] what's done is done. We now have 3 nations on this continent. More elbow room for us all.
[20:35] there will be a cooling off period ..... unless ND & GoW decide to continue the war.
[20:35] what is ND doing
[20:35] hard to say.
[20:35] we can only guess, as we can't see them
[20:36] we are policizing
[20:36] what do you mean by that?
[20:36] developing policy
[20:37] policy on ...?
[20:37] you and the others
[20:38] ah. Let me know how that turns out
[20:38] you are mean and evil
[20:39] and Arnelos is small and does nothing
[20:39]
[20:39] I'm mean and evil?
[20:39] its slow as we have to meet you all
[20:39] arnelos does little. He's stuck playing Moo3 right now
[20:40] you notice the
[20:40]
[20:40] I'd better go. I need to cook up some dinner.
[20:40] k bye
[20:40] I'll drop on later tonight. Chat with you then.
[20:40] bye
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DCC session closed
Session Close: Wed Mar 05 20:42:32 2003

As you can see they don't got Philocophy and they were not happy I would not tell them what we have, pay no worry about the way I was talking to togas it was all part of what do to get him more open to talk I have no plans to do stuff just to help togas.

[ZargonX]

Fantastic ZargonX, you are a great loss to the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office We conquered a quarter of the world with messages such as that

What can I say; I just can't get enough of "diplomacy!" Sent the message off to Panzer32, will post his reply when it arrives.

[Tiberius]

I have an idea that could make happy both GoW and RP.

We send a message to GoW saying that we've found the island and that we could meet there. We propose them the following deal:
We will wait for them near the island, not going anywhere from there (trying to contact other civs). We won't try to contact others until they sell the contact to everyone interested. In exchange, they promise to give us half of the money.
No other deals until we meet in person (such as tech exchanges or future research coordination).

Now, we talk with the RP and tell them to buy the contact from GoW, to have contact with us sooner (we tell them that by boat it would take much longer, which is true, I think). Then we give back to them half of the money they paid to GoW.

We gain some money fro GoW, also they will know that we are flexible and good trading partners and in the same time we will make the RP happy and prove that we are serious in trading fair with them.

What do you think?

[ZargonX]

Interesting proposal, Tiberius. Though, RP may want all of their money back for the contact sale, as they may feel it is justified under our earlier agreements. They also said they were sending someone up the coast (by land) to meet us sooner, so they may not want to shell out any money at all.

On another note, in the public forum, ND is looking for a native English speaker to deal diplomacy for them, specifically with the RPers. This could just be misdirection, or there could be trouble brewing. Alternatly, they could also be arranging an agreement to deal with their other, less trustworthy neighbor...

[Kloreep]

Interesting idea... I like it. But considering we really are obligated to favor RPers, I'd try to include GoW gifting our contact to RPers in the deal; perhaps imply that we feel obligated to do so. (Which we technically aren't, as "Most Favored Nation" is left ambiguous except for tech.) So long as GoW still gets first crack at trading our contact around, I doubt they'd object seriously, and we would be favoring the RPers, even if they couldn't trade our contact around.

Edit: Also, remember that one of the few explicit clauses in our Carthage treaty was to favor them in tech trades. Considering this, I think we should start lining up a deal (revealing some of our techs and perhaps that we're currently researching Literature), to show we intend to honor this.

[quantum_mechani]

Further Complications

I just got a PM from DeepO, the GS ambassador, and it seems they too are interested in making first contact with Legoland. From DeepO's message they seem quite eager; even willing to go out of thier way to research MM and use suicide galleys. I will post the full message, but first is there a way to quote a PM without retyping it?

[Tiberius]

Yes.
Open the PM, select all the text (Ctrl+A), copy it in the clipboard (Ctrl+C), then post a new reply and paste the PM (Ctrl+V) in a quote.

[quantum_mechani]

Thanks Tiberius, here is the message:

Last time we spoke, you seemed to be interested in gaining contact with GS asap, and we certainly were and are interested in meeting your people soon. I guess that after our last chat you were able to build a galley, so maybe it's time to piece a map together so that you could reach us, or we can reach you?

There was an interesting idea in our forum, which basically made it possible for us to meet in the middle of the ocean if our coasts would be less then 10 tiles apart, and looking at our minimap it seems that this is the case, however we can't know for sure. If we would be less then 10 tiles apart, we would both risk a galley for one turn in order to meet, but contact with you would certainly be worth a galley to us.

A couple of things would be needed to make this happen, first and foremost, we should trade part of our minimaps to see the best place to cross the big ocean. You may have heared, but trading minimaps is actually a very big issue to us, you are the first, and only team we want to trade current information with. But, in order to keep our land hidden, we could edit the minimap so that it only shows the Eastern coast, if you give us only your Western Coast, we should be able to figure out a way.

Further, we would need galleys, and as far as we know, no civ besides you has MM yet. But, we have the promise to acquire it in 2-3 turns, so that should be a big issue. We can have a galley sailing the world quite soon.

All this assumes of course you haven't found a sailable path to us, or to Bob already, so if you do, please let us know, so that we can trade contact information soon.

Eagerly awaiting your arrival on our coasts,
DeepO of Gathering Storm

[Tiberius]

Now only if you had put the slash "/" in the right place, before the closing "quote".

[Tiberius]

I think we should let to every team know that very soon we will land on BOB and that most probably we will meet the civs from there first. Should they want to trade with GoW or RP for the contact, great. If not, they might choose very well to wait until we circumnavigate the continent.

[quantum_mechani]

Well, I've sent a reply saying that though we were very interested in the deal, a recently located channel to Bob makes contact much quicker that way. I also said that we would be interested in some kind of trade when we get contact, so hopfully we both have something of interest.