DIPLO: GoW comments

[DeepO]

BTW, Shiber, thanks for the explanation on pinging chatrooms. I'll certainly try to use it next time -- if I get in

DeepO

[Aeson]

Good morning

Any objections to sending this to GoW? If not I'll get right on it.

[Shiber]

None here.
Someone (DeepO or Alva, I think; I forgot, sorry) suggested that we add another clause that would oblige GoW to return us the 200 gold in case that they would finish Feudalism 5 or more turns later than another civ and let us buy from someone else (partially to give GoW a reason to hurry up with Chivalry as much as they can), but I don't like this idea in particular.
First of all, it's too significant for a last minute's change. Second, there's no way they're going to agree to that; in fact, it could cause serious detriment to our relations with GoW, as they would see this as some sort of opportunism. Third, there's no need to try to whip GoW into finishing Chivalry earlier - they'll be working on this at full speed anyway, because they want to get their UU before ND can.

[Aeson]

I agree.

The longer we can wait for Chivalry, the more WC's we can upgrade. Chivalry won't be in time to break the initial invasion from Vox, and it's only the initial invasion force that poses us any real threats. They don't have the production capacity to keep up if/when we break that first wave.

[DeepO]

I suggested that clause to be sure they would hurry in researching it, and we will not face knights for 10 turns before they finally give it to us.

But it's not really needed, and certainly not worth delaying the proposal for, so go ahead and send it.

BTW, ask to get those screenies now, making last turn the first of 5 turns of scouting by GoW. I'm dead curious, and if we know it now, we don't need to know it 6 turns from now.

DeepO

[Aeson]

I had asked GF to get those screenshots in case the deal was signed. I think it was clear in the discussions that the last turn was one of the 5, but will reiterate it just to make sure.

[DeepO]

Erhm... has anyone accessed our e-mail address inbox lately? It could have been full a while ago (as the size of the in-box decreased)...

DeepO

[Shiber]

Panzer32 is asking for a copy of the latest diplomatic message (he's the GoW ambassador to GS after all).

[Shiber]

Nevermind, he was anxious to read it so I sent it myself.

[Aeson]

Let's send GoW a thank you for the screenshots, and inform them that our GA starting will allow us to send them Feudalism a turn earlier (the end turn of the NDA staying stable though).

[DeepO]

Agree. Why don't you take the honors, it was your idea to scout in the first place

DeepO

[Aeson]

Your idea about offsetting the NDA's with GoW and ND is a good one. Should I state that this will allow them to trade Feudalism 1 turn earlier as well?

[Shiber]

Btw, do you think we should favor one of the sides of this potential conflict (GoW / ND), or treat them both evenly?

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Aeson
Your idea about offsetting the NDA's with GoW and ND is a good one. Should I state that this will allow them to trade Feudalism 1 turn earlier as well?

I'd rather extend ND's NDA, if we have to, to preserve the offsetting effect. I'd like RP to think that they could be facing as long a period without Feudalism if they don't buy it from us now as possible; whereas, if GoW would contact them and tell them that they would be able to sell Feudalism one turn earlier, it will only encourage RP to go with it.

[DeepO]

No, is it really that important to know for sure where RP gets it from? If we simply ask them, or GoW, there is a lot of chance they'll tell us. So please don't make different deals (in words) between different teams, or at least one of them is going to feel left out once he knows the difference.

Of course, in the case of GoW getting the tech earlier, it's an advantage we might want to exploit, but it's not that important to me.

I wouldn't tell GoW that they are able to trade it 1 turn earlier, they know they can, and I don't want to point their attention to the fact that we're watching

DeepO