DIPLO: GoW comments

[Shiber]

The chat continues. GhengisFarb is being an ass (although it was my fault, I should have known that he has such a short fuse), and Panzer32 is trying to get around him, asking me to send any offer than we could come up with to him directly, by PM.

[DeepO]

Damn... And I can't get in. I constantly get brotheled or something, in which I have to wait another 5 minutes before connecting again

DeepO

[DeepO]

Shiber, just tell them directly you were not calling them a liar, and want to aoplogise if that's what it sounded like, because it was not your intention. These guys need to be smeared a lot of syrip on their asses before accepting a friendly tone, it seems, so go smear syrip

DeepO

[Shiber]

I'm all out of Syrup, if that's what you mean.
Gladly though, we found a common enemy - RP. GoW told us that RP told them pretty much what they told us about Lego a few turns ago. Maybe they're lying, but still, this suits RP very well.
So now that RP is our scapegoat, GF has calmed down.

That rascal, Togas...

Log:

[01:01] Aeson: We both are at war with Vox right now. Surely we can find someway better than to go to war with each other.
[01:02] *Aeson* ok... don't push GF any further... please
[01:02] GhengisFarb: Talk to Shiber, he's the one that has tried to declare war on GOW two days in a row now.
[01:02] -: *Aeson* my lips are sealed
[01:03] Aeson: I include Shiber in 'we'.
[01:03] GhengisFarb: Shiber is at war with Vox and GoW. The question is whether or not GS is at war with GoW.
[01:05] Aeson: GS has not, and does not plan to, declare war on GoW. We see the mutual benefit of a friendship between us.
[01:05] -: *Aeson* Panzer32 is privately messaging me, trying to get around GF and apologizing for him. That's good
[01:06] *Aeson*
[01:06] *Aeson* I read the logs, nothing there, GF is being a bit defensive.
[01:06] Aeson: Can we discuss the trade now?
[01:07] Panzer32: I'm going to have to go in maybe ~15 minutes
[01:07] GhengisFarb: So then Shiber was not speaking for your team. In answer to your question, Vox landed troops on Bob, GoW and ND moved our Horsemen to repel them as called for in the Treaty of Bob, Roleplay never showed up. As of this turn all Vox units (that we are aware of) are no longer on Bob, they apparently reloaded their boats and left.
[01:08] Aeson: If anything Shiber said was offensive to you, then I am sure he didn't mean it that way. Certainly GS doesn't mean to be offensive to our friends.
[01:08] Shiber: GhengisFarb, I apologize; I think RP is trying to play us two against each other.
[01:08] Aeson: We were concerned about that, they seem to want to focus entirely on us.
[01:09] Panzer32: RP tries to play everybody against each other...
[01:09] Aeson: How many Galleys were there? 2?
[01:10] GhengisFarb: Togas has stated to me that he sees GS as the number one threat right now and that he wants Vox to either eliminate you or weaken you considerably.
[01:10] Shiber: lol, he said the same thing to us about legoland
[01:10] Shiber: That Togas...
[01:10] Shiber:
[01:10] GhengisFarb: I have only seen one Vox galley at a time, but their may be more than one and all but one remain out of our vision on a turn by turn basis
[01:11] Aeson: Thanks for the information.
[01:11] Aeson: We thought they would have 2 Galleys that could land near our territory this next turn, but if they delayed up north to withdraw troops it gives us more time to prepare.
[01:11] Shiber: Can you please tell us how many Vox units actually landed on Bob? (if any)
[01:11] GhengisFarb: Four
[01:12] Shiber: That probably means that they used one galley
[01:12] GhengisFarb: Immortals and one Spearman
[01:12] Aeson: And they landed 2 Immortals on our E coast, about 5 tiles north of our Borders
[01:14] Shiber: one galley is enough to transfer 4 units from Vox to Bob
[01:14] Aeson: The pressing issue is the trade though. I posted the proposal on the GS message boards, and there hasn't been much comment on it.
[01:15] GhengisFarb: Not on one turn
[01:15] GhengisFarb: Maybe on one turn, its a very narrow gap between our continents.
[01:16] Aeson: They can load 2, move into Wittlich (sp?), unload all, move back out, and stick 2 more in. Of course it depends on exactly where they were landed
[01:16] Aeson: As they have a Galley on our East coast, we find that most likely.
[01:16] Aeson: Vox doesn't have the production capacity for much of a navy at this point.
[01:16] GhengisFarb: They weren't in a position to do that, I dont think
[01:18] Aeson: It would have required them to be on the Hill closest to the channel.
[01:18] GhengisFarb: They may have disbanded the Spearman nad Regular Immortal though.
[01:18] Aeson: That could be.
[01:19] Aeson: We will prepare for 2 Galleys, and hope for 1
[01:19] GhengisFarb: IT could be another ruse to make it seem like they have more forces than they actually do.
[01:20] * Aeson nods.
[01:20] Aeson: We are reasonably certain as to their numbers.
[01:21] GhengisFarb: How large a force do you think they have, if its not a team secret?
[01:21] Aeson: The exact ratio of Immortals to Spearmen to Galleys is a bit up in the air though
[01:21] -: *Aeson* Watch it, maybe he's eyeing Vox's territory.
[01:21] Aeson: We know they had 9-10 warriors to upgrade before hooking up their Iron
[01:22] Aeson: 2 of those are still accounted for, and will be upgraded in 2 and 3 turns respectively.
[01:22] GhengisFarb: All Regular?
[01:22] Aeson: Most

DeepO, have you tried the Java chat applet?

[DeepO]

No, Java doesn't work on my pc. And yes, Syrup it was what I meant, but seems it is better now. Keep me informed, I just had a 15 minute throttle imposed on me, I give up trying to connect.

DeepO

[alva]

AMT there asking to get RoP to 'scout' our coasts in search for islands.

[DeepO]

Hmmm... would they be willing to share what they learn?

DeepO

[Shiber]

More logz.

[01:22] Aeson: Most
[01:22] Aeson: We only saw the outposts, so it's not certain
[01:23] Aeson: The military advisor is decent for giving a handle on number of units. He just doesn't realize that 40g + Warrior = Sword...and completely ignores mobility
[01:23] *alva* chat stil going on?
[01:23] -: *alva* yes, /join #gow bored
[01:23] Shiber: Alva wants to join, if noone minds.
[01:24] GhengisFarb: Is the advisor strictly total unit number or does it take attack values into consideration?
[01:24] Aeson: At the time they hooked up their Iron, this gave us a snapshot of how many Warriors they could have had at that point
[01:24] GhengisFarb: Sure
[01:24] * alva has joined #gow
[01:24] alva: hi all
[01:24] Aeson: It takes a/d values into consideration
[01:24] GhengisFarb: Hi
[01:24] Aeson: if it checks mobility, it is little to nothing of the rating
[01:24] -: *alva* we're discussing the military advisor and our prediction of Vox's forces
[01:24] Aeson: Have you seen the map of Vox's territory?
[01:25] -: *alva* GF seems very interested. Maybe he's considering invading Vox himself?
[01:25] -: *aeson* GF seems very interested. Maybe he's considering invading Vox himself?
[01:25] Aeson: (not asking for it btw, they gave it to us before the war started)
[01:25] GhengisFarb: Do want to trade us maps so we can see it?
[01:25] GhengisFarb:
[01:25] *alva* everyone is invading everyone
[01:25] -: *alva* lol, i like the way that sounds
[01:26] Shiber: We should discuss this in the forum. I'd be in favor though.
[01:26] -: *Aeson* Not...
[01:26] Aeson: It wasn't the most strategic of decisions. They are now fighting in the dark while we can see.
[01:26] Aeson: We coudl possibly discuss a trade of that information.
[01:26] Aeson: I would be in favor of trading screenshots at least.
[01:26] Aeson: In game maps may be harder to swing.
[01:27] GhengisFarb: We have ND/GoW/RP maps, the island between Legolas and us and a large chunk of Lego's coast.
[01:27] Panzer32: in game maps = trading... but if you don't want to then whatever...
[01:27] Panzer32: yeah, we have a large map
[01:27] GhengisFarb: It would also open sea trade routes for your team to ND, GoW and Roleplay.
[01:27] Shiber: Well, there's a problem with trading in-game maps.
[01:28] Shiber: If we trade you our in-game map, we'd have to ask you not to distribute it for at least 10 turns, because of the situation with Vox.,
[01:28] GhengisFarb: That would be reasonable.
[01:28] Shiber: That would mean that you won't be able to sell your world map to anyone at all, under these conditions
[01:28] GhengisFarb: That just makes it more valuable in ten turns.
[01:28] alva: I doubt we will get that approved though (in-game maps)
[01:29] Shiber: I agree with alva. We are a paranoid bunch.
[01:29] Shiber: But screenshots of Vox's territory would be fine, at least by me.
[01:29] alva: we need to be for now
[01:30] GhengisFarb: We have several galleys hugging coast (so they don't sink) looking for islands.
[01:30] alva: hmm, yes, that could be done, maybe
[01:30] Shiber: You wanted a sea RoP, right?
[01:30] Panzer32: yeah
[01:30] GhengisFarb: Yes
[01:30] alva: whats rop again?
[01:30] Shiber: I believe that you offered wines in exchange
[01:31] Shiber: Rights of Passage
[01:31] alva:
[01:31] Aeson: I would be more inclined to support a map trade than a sea ROP.
[01:31] GhengisFarb: We have one with Lego, they don't want to trade us their map but this allows us to go along the coast and look for islands.
[01:31] Shiber: Technically, if you did your best possible to stay out of our cultural borders, I would be fine with it, and so would most of my teammates, I think; however, the payment doesn't seem suitable.
[01:31] GhengisFarb: Absolutely no landing on home continents.
[01:32] Aeson: Perhaps a trade of a screenshot of our coasts with all the land blacked out?
[01:32] Shiber: Our economists tell me that wines are not of any worth to us, unfortunately.
[01:32] Aeson: We have nothing of interest offshore I'm afraid. If we did it would be settled within a few turns.
[01:32] GhengisFarb: That could be doctored, we are very leary of non game maps as several teams have grossly misrepresented their land positions.
[01:32] Aeson: By offshore I mean that a galley could safely cross. We don't know anything beyond that
[01:33] Aeson: That's fair. The Sea ROP and in game maps would be hard from our standpoint at this time.
[01:34] GhengisFarb: But my mapping the outline of the continents we can tell where large unoccupied areas are and risk suicide galleys into those areas looking for subcontinents.
[01:34] Shiber: GhengisFarb, what if we did the exploration around our continent, searching for islands that are reachable by galley, and reported to you if we found anything?
[01:34] Shiber: That's just an idea, but it might work
[01:35] GhengisFarb: We'd rather do it ourselves so our galleys can shoot off to any distant coastal glimpses they find.
[01:35] Aeson: Where is your closest Galley?
[01:35] Shiber: Thinking of building the Great Lighthouse?
[01:35] GhengisFarb: Between our contient and Vox, fairly close to Grog Mountain.
[01:36] GhengisFarb: No the Lighthouse expires .

[alva]

Yep, troop info on vox, still it's sounds very risky to me.

[DeepO]

If their only goal is settling, they will take settlers with them, or they can't reasonably assume that we wouldn't be able to settle islands before them. Which is good, as they are scouts, but can't hold many military units for us to be afraid of.

Just 1 galley the next 10 turns though, at the very least. I don't want to deal with 4 'island scouts' soon

DeepO

[alva]

[00:33] No the Lighthouse expires .
[00:35] Would GoW be interested in sending unit reports to GS about Vox movement along the roads nearby? Perhaps as part of a deal to allow your Galley to then move S through our borders (just about the whole coast is claimed).
[00:35] At this time a Sea ROP with GoW is one sided, as we don't have any Galleys remotely near your shores. This could possibly be a way to make up the difference
[00:35] If you will allow us to explore the coasts then we could give you troops reports on the Vox columns along the road.
[00:37] It would require your Galley staying put for at least 5 turns. moving back and forth N and S.
[00:37] we would be interested in a trade like that
[00:37] I apologize, but I must go. RL is calling - emergency, I'm afraid.
[00:37] Have you already moved the galley this turn?
[00:37] The first one would continue on with the second one hanging out around Eliopolis.
[00:37] Until Vox sinks it of course.
[00:38] Isn't an island, that is (rather) close to us or vox more or less worthless to you?
[00:38] I have to go too
[00:38] No, not if it has Iron.
[00:38] bye Shiber; all
[00:38] bi
[00:38] * Shiber holds hands with Panzer32 and walks out the door
[00:38] lol
[00:38] The area I was thinking of was on the coast NW of Grog mountain, down 3 tiles, and back up next turn.
[00:38]
[00:39] Bye Panzer
[00:39] Or if its a big enough one worth building a Forbidden Palace on.
[00:39] Cya everyone, I'll be back tomorrow.
[00:39] Bye Panxer
[00:39] Panzer
[00:39] * Shiber has quit IRC (Quit: Shiber has no reason)
[00:39] * Panzer32 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
[00:39] Bye Shiber
[00:39] There is a gap there that you would see any troops moving S along the road.
[00:39] We see one column right now.
[00:40] I can't give the final go ahead, but take a screenshot of that column for if/when the deal goes through ok?
[00:41] Ok, I can tell you that your estimate to their force strenght is way off though.
[00:41] We know that they have built Immortals/Spears regularly, I only commented on the Warriors they had to upgrade.
[00:41] Sorry if I was misleading.
[00:42] The rest of the analysis is based on Vox's cities and terrain, which was why I asked if you had seen it.
[00:42] Understood.
[00:42] They have several closely packed cities from what we can observe.
[00:43] You have seen most everything of note of their terrain I'm thinking. Their land is very narrow.

[asleepathewheel]

Raise your hand if you think that GoW is just scouting to find islands.


Not so fast there Alva :P

[DeepO]

Just read the rest (this is strange, commenting on a delayed chat )

Good idea to ask about the lighthouse, but don't bring it up again.

Galleys: actually, I don't see how we could stop them, so I'm not against it. However, try to ask for a proposal on 1 galley only, for the time being. And make it in some way revokable by us, in which they have to head back the way they came, in exchange for us compensating 'breaking' the deal.

DeepO

[alva]

Why do names not show up in my log?

[alva]

GoW is looking for iron