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[01:48] /Aeson/ They will know that someone has it if they look at the research times. We would prefer if you didn't broadcast it of course
[01:48] /nbarclay/ Especially no sell, trade, give, etc.
[01:48] /Panzer32[GoW]/ well, if we don't tell them, they can't buy it
[01:49] /Aeson/ Is there any interest in coordinating Chivalry research?
[01:50] /Aeson/ If both of us research it we both get hurt, but if one of us feeds the other gold, then we both get it just as fast, and have more upgrade money between us
[01:51] /GhengisFarb/ back
[01:52] /Panzer32[GoW]/ would GS or GoW do the researching?
[01:53] /GhengisFarb/ We are researching Chivalry, it gives us our UU and we want to ensure have the best chance to get it before ND.
[01:53] /nbarclay/ You're sure you can beat ND to it?
[01:54] /nbarclay/ Keep in mind that they're in Republic, if I remember right.
[01:54] /nbarclay/ And I don't think you are yet.
[01:54] /GhengisFarb/ No offense, but this is too critical a tech for us to depend on another team. We hope to be in Republic by then
[01:54] /Aeson/ Either way we do save time and money. If we want more money between us, GoW can do the research, if we want it sooner, GS
[01:54] /alva/ they are
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[01:55] /nbarclay/ Just to be clear, my only concern is trying to figure out the best way to get it for both teams.
[01:55] /alva/ Imagine having chivalry a couple of tursn sooner then ND...
[01:55] /nbarclay/ On one hand, having us research it would involve some risk if Vox hurts us too badly.
[01:56] /nbarclay/ On the other, we are already in Republic, and have an excellent research rate when we aren't too busy upgrading and such.
[01:56] /GhengisFarb/ Once we get Feudalism it would make sense for you to concentrate on building and rushing forces to win the war.
[01:57] /Aeson/ And will be in our GA
[01:57] /Aeson/ But that will just mean more upgrades for us
[01:57] /Aeson/ I'm fine either way.
[01:57] /alva/ Perhaps GoW can open a second front on VoX?
[01:58] /GhengisFarb/ I would prefer not to as we would have nothing to gain, I don't think you would want us to keep the cities we took on your continent?
[01:58] /Aeson/ No, Vox's territory will make the perfect FP area for us.
[01:58] /alva/ Take away a few galleys maybe?
[01:58] /Aeson/ And the close times are going to be the next 10 turns, after that Vox hasn't a chance.
[01:59] /GhengisFarb/ And we don't want to weaken our defenses versus ND.
[01:59] /nbarclay/ I can understand your concerns about ND quite well.
[02:00] /GhengisFarb/ I think our galleys are more useful as neutral observers than combatants. As long as we are neutral Vox doesn't have to know we are observing for your team.
[02:00] /GhengisFarb/ Unless we sit there in one spot for awhile, then it would be pretty obvious.
[02:01] /Aeson/ Feudalism and Chivalry are both cost 32. If we give the 200 g back halfway through your Chivalry research will that be an acceptable trade? We would have the NDA of course, this time that GoW can trade and GS can't.
[02:01] /alva/ Didn't GoW offically go to war on the publi forum thread?
[02:02] /Aeson/ I agree, as long as we know how many units vox is sending we can position our forces best.
[02:03] /Aeson/ And galley landings (of the sort vox can put together) are much easier to kill than by land stacks... we always get the first shot
[02:04] /nbarclay/ Another possibility would be a trade of Chivalry for something we research at the same time.
[02:06] /nbarclay/ But come to think of it, if we pump gold into GoW, that would speed up their research and hence help them get Chivalry faster for both of us.
[02:06] /GhengisFarb/ The counter 200 trade would work. We did go to war the first time they landed but made peace for their city. We never went to war the second time, our diplo options wouldn't let us declare war and their units were gone by the time our Horsemen got to them
[02:07] /GhengisFarb/ Those galleys with Horsemen were looking for a chance to due some pillaging to hopefully make Vox pull back but then Vox attacked you instead and so we decided to use them to scout.
[02:08] * Aeson nods
[02:09] /GhengisFarb/ We never intended to take over Vox land just repulse them off of Bob.
[02:09] /Aeson/ We intend to wipe them out.
[02:10] /GhengisFarb/ Repulse them off Little Bob, pretty much the same we were going to do, they just aren' t anywhere else but Little Bob
[02:10] /Aeson/ Aye.
[02:10] /GhengisFarb/ Unless they got an island somewhere..........
[02:11] /nbarclay/ Just what I was thinking.
[02:11] /nbarclay/ They might actually survive for a while that way.
[02:11] /alva/ they will, right beside lux
[02:11] /nbarclay/ Until someone decides killing them is worth the trouble.
[02:11] /GhengisFarb/ If we find a Vox island we'll let you know
[02:12] /nbarclay/ Thanks, although we may just view the island as the penal colony they were confined to for their crimes.
[02:12] /alva/ squid island
[02:13] /GhengisFarb/ Thats what Nukes are for.
[02:13] /alva/
[02:13] /GhengisFarb/ the Orkin 5000 nuclear device
[02:14] /Panzer32[GoW]/ Nuclear riders!!!
[01:48] /nbarclay/ Especially no sell, trade, give, etc.
[01:48] /Panzer32[GoW]/ well, if we don't tell them, they can't buy it
[01:49] /Aeson/ Is there any interest in coordinating Chivalry research?
[01:50] /Aeson/ If both of us research it we both get hurt, but if one of us feeds the other gold, then we both get it just as fast, and have more upgrade money between us
[01:51] /GhengisFarb/ back
[01:52] /Panzer32[GoW]/ would GS or GoW do the researching?
[01:53] /GhengisFarb/ We are researching Chivalry, it gives us our UU and we want to ensure have the best chance to get it before ND.
[01:53] /nbarclay/ You're sure you can beat ND to it?
[01:54] /nbarclay/ Keep in mind that they're in Republic, if I remember right.
[01:54] /nbarclay/ And I don't think you are yet.
[01:54] /GhengisFarb/ No offense, but this is too critical a tech for us to depend on another team. We hope to be in Republic by then
[01:54] /Aeson/ Either way we do save time and money. If we want more money between us, GoW can do the research, if we want it sooner, GS
[01:54] /alva/ they are
(nd-/rep)[01:55] /nbarclay/ Just to be clear, my only concern is trying to figure out the best way to get it for both teams.
[01:55] /alva/ Imagine having chivalry a couple of tursn sooner then ND...
[01:55] /nbarclay/ On one hand, having us research it would involve some risk if Vox hurts us too badly.
[01:56] /nbarclay/ On the other, we are already in Republic, and have an excellent research rate when we aren't too busy upgrading and such.
[01:56] /GhengisFarb/ Once we get Feudalism it would make sense for you to concentrate on building and rushing forces to win the war.
[01:57] /Aeson/ And will be in our GA
[01:57] /Aeson/ But that will just mean more upgrades for us
[01:57] /Aeson/ I'm fine either way.
[01:57] /alva/ Perhaps GoW can open a second front on VoX?
[01:58] /GhengisFarb/ I would prefer not to as we would have nothing to gain, I don't think you would want us to keep the cities we took on your continent?
[01:58] /Aeson/ No, Vox's territory will make the perfect FP area for us.
[01:58] /alva/ Take away a few galleys maybe?
[01:58] /Aeson/ And the close times are going to be the next 10 turns, after that Vox hasn't a chance.
[01:59] /GhengisFarb/ And we don't want to weaken our defenses versus ND.
[01:59] /nbarclay/ I can understand your concerns about ND quite well.
[02:00] /GhengisFarb/ I think our galleys are more useful as neutral observers than combatants. As long as we are neutral Vox doesn't have to know we are observing for your team.
[02:00] /GhengisFarb/ Unless we sit there in one spot for awhile, then it would be pretty obvious.
[02:01] /Aeson/ Feudalism and Chivalry are both cost 32. If we give the 200 g back halfway through your Chivalry research will that be an acceptable trade? We would have the NDA of course, this time that GoW can trade and GS can't.
[02:01] /alva/ Didn't GoW offically go to war on the publi forum thread?
[02:02] /Aeson/ I agree, as long as we know how many units vox is sending we can position our forces best.
[02:03] /Aeson/ And galley landings (of the sort vox can put together) are much easier to kill than by land stacks... we always get the first shot
[02:04] /nbarclay/ Another possibility would be a trade of Chivalry for something we research at the same time.
[02:06] /nbarclay/ But come to think of it, if we pump gold into GoW, that would speed up their research and hence help them get Chivalry faster for both of us.
[02:06] /GhengisFarb/ The counter 200 trade would work. We did go to war the first time they landed but made peace for their city. We never went to war the second time, our diplo options wouldn't let us declare war and their units were gone by the time our Horsemen got to them
[02:07] /GhengisFarb/ Those galleys with Horsemen were looking for a chance to due some pillaging to hopefully make Vox pull back but then Vox attacked you instead and so we decided to use them to scout.
[02:08] * Aeson nods
[02:09] /GhengisFarb/ We never intended to take over Vox land just repulse them off of Bob.
[02:09] /Aeson/ We intend to wipe them out.
[02:10] /GhengisFarb/ Repulse them off Little Bob, pretty much the same we were going to do, they just aren' t anywhere else but Little Bob
[02:10] /Aeson/ Aye.
[02:10] /GhengisFarb/ Unless they got an island somewhere..........
[02:11] /nbarclay/ Just what I was thinking.
[02:11] /nbarclay/ They might actually survive for a while that way.
[02:11] /alva/ they will, right beside lux
[02:11] /nbarclay/ Until someone decides killing them is worth the trouble.
[02:11] /GhengisFarb/ If we find a Vox island we'll let you know
[02:12] /nbarclay/ Thanks, although we may just view the island as the penal colony they were confined to for their crimes.
[02:12] /alva/ squid island
[02:13] /GhengisFarb/ Thats what Nukes are for.
[02:13] /alva/
[02:13] /GhengisFarb/ the Orkin 5000 nuclear device
[02:14] /Panzer32[GoW]/ Nuclear riders!!!
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