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**Cort Haus** · November 25, 2003, 21:17

Togas,

First, an update:

We are trying to get GoW to accept an eventual 2/3 to 1/3 split of Bob, with GS and RP sharing around 250 of Bob's 750 tiles. This roughly corresponds to the area south of the jungle in the west, and south of a line running from the river N of Pamplona, North of Toledo to the coast SE of Mavdad.

Meanwhile, we have some questions for you...

1) What has been built in Pamplona?

2) What units do you have left on Bob, and what should we - mutually - do with them?

3) What were your aspirations regarding a) territory and b) number of cities on Bob when re-built?

also,

4) What will you be calling the cities on N. Stormia (presumably we will rename them after re-taking possession), and what would you like the new cities on Bob to be named (we can do that off the bat).

Many thanks,

CH

**Cort Haus** · November 26, 2003, 04:56

Fom Togas:

1) What has been built in Pamplona?

Granary, Temple, Barracks, Palace

2) What units do you have left on Bob, and what should we - mutually - do with them?

We either mass teleport them to Vox, or use them in the assault on ND. We'll need them to protect Pamplona initially. My best offer is to have them join in the attack, or to spearhead the attack and have your troops follow (as your turn follows our turn) in taking the city or position attacked.

We will have some trouble against their muskets, though. I don't anticipate our troops being exceptionally useful. Their main use will be to hold positions, as we have a large # of pikemen.

3) What were your aspirations regarding a) territory and b) number of cities on Bob when re-built?

One day we'd like to repopulate and rebuild all of Old Spain. We're willing to work on a long-term timetable for that. We understand that you must hold most of the cities in the early stages of your war on GS. We're unclear on if GS wants to keep permanent cities on Bob or not. If so, we'll work around your cities.

4) What will you be calling the cities on N. Stormia (presumably we will rename them after re-taking possession), and what would you like the new cities on Bob to be named (we can do that off the bat).

We'll figure that out in the next few weeks. Please feel free to name new cities on Bob what you like, but we would request that you keep the names of our old cities that remain, and if any city is liberated from the Arabs, we'd request that its original name be restored.

**Theseus** · November 26, 2003, 13:42

From Togas:

Here's the shots from our turn:

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Togas/350a.JPG

http://apolyton.net/upload/files/Togas/350.JPG

**Cort Haus** · November 26, 2003, 14:10

Togas,

Thanks for the screenshots.

I see that ND has been mustering on its mountain - what do they have there now, and what do you have to defend against them? - assuming they don't hit our weakened knights, which they might.

CH

**Cort Haus** · November 26, 2003, 16:31

From Togas ...

Cort,

I can't recall the exact # of defenders but they have only 2 Ansars on that mountain and a number of pikes and muskets. Nothing more.

We will put our units in the way, but you should put pikes in range to move into Pamplona on the turn we exchange it. Just let us know where we should put our troops.

--Togas

and the reply ...

Thanks, Togas. Only two Ansars - cool, I'll stop panicking now!

What did you mean though,when you said "putting units in the way"? Could this be to protect our Knights possible retreat? Their best bet would probably be for them to flee into a vacant Pamplona, then supported by Pikes, as you said, though I don't think we want to do that before reaching agreement with GoW.

**Cort Haus** · November 26, 2003, 17:49

from Togas:

We'd put units in the way of the ND attackers. Try to block their route to Pamplona.

But you definately should let us know if you need to move through a tile, and we won't put any units there.

--Togas

**Cort Haus** · November 27, 2003, 23:49

To Togas

Togas,

I'm sorry to have to report that we've had advanced warning from Aggie that his team as a whole is not going to accept the offer from GS, despite many of them seeing the deal as fair and practical. It was a bold plan and we came close, but alas, no cigar.
Perhaps better peace options will be available once their Golden Ages and WW sets in. Do you know when their GA's end - it must be soon now?

We are discussing our options at the moment. Meanwhile, the longer Pamplona can hold the better. We know that GoW are extremely keen to gain control of it, and we suspect the possibility of saltpeter being within its radius. We could be wrong, it may just be the strategic location they desire in the heart of Spain. We will have gunpowder in 7-8 turns - then we finally get to see whether the stories about saltpeter are true.

We are concerned about both Lego (on the Powergraph) and Vox too. I am getting no reply from Beta to my messages, and he's been saying odd things on the gen forum lately. Do you have a channel open with Vox? Any Intel would be greatly appreciated. The possibility of a Vox / Lego assault on Stormia from the east cannot be ruled out - so we may need to deploy units from Bob to defend the coast.

Finally, in the course of trying to persuade GoW, we compared the size of the continents in the world in terms of tile count as a rough guide to productive power. Here are the findings, which we'd like to should share with you (if you don't already have this info):

Stormia : ~ 200 tiles (including 40 on N. Stormia)

Bob : ~ 750 tiles

Lego : ~ 400 tiles (exluding approx 80 New Voxia)

All we can ask you to do for now is to sit tight, stay fortified in Pamplona and pray for combat luck. Meanwhile we might need to teleport some units to Stormia via one of your cities we currently control to defend our east coast.

I'll keep you posted.

Regards

CH

**Cort Haus** · November 28, 2003, 21:44

to Togas

Togas,

Here are screenshots from this turn :

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We have launched a rescue mssion for the stranded knights, and there are now 19 GS knights on the forest at Pamplona-1, with six on the mountain at Alamo-63.

We are withdrawing from North Bob and lining the Stormian coast until we can be sure that Lego/Vox are not attacking from the east. A screenshot is included of the 10 Lego knights we saw near Yellowknife. We've also launched some diplo at Lego, to try and see how we might detatch them from the rest of their alliance.

Regards,

CH

**Cort Haus** · December 3, 2003, 09:02

To BigFree and Togas

Hi BigFree,

Here are our screenshots for 370AD.

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As you probably know, we lost 19 knights on Pamp-1, and we've no idea of enemy casualties - such is the nature of PBEM. I didn't see any screenies from RP in our forum (perhaps someone in GS has them in their mailbox, but wasn't around to post them), and we have no idea of who hit us, from where, and where they went to. Do you think that this epic battle will help Pamplona hold out for longer? We don't know how many defenders you have there, but hopefully our sacrifice will help your defence.

We have Invention next turn, then we'll see how long we have to wait until Gunpowder.

Now that the intended GoW deal is off, we can return Toledo and Barcelona to your control next turn, but we are two turns away from completing a Pikeman in New Madrid. Should events turn out that Miller Town becomes the interim capital-in-exile of Spain, the two cities on the west coast of North Stormia could also be offered to you.

If GS carry on fighting for much longer, we will surely lose the game - due to the powers arrayed against us. However, despite our losses, we intend to hold out a little longer - at least until we can see where the saltpeter is, whilst trying to discuss possible peace terms with our adversaries.

We'd like to hear the thoughts of your team regarding the future. Much as we want to defend Spain, we recognise that only when RP and GS are off Bob, or perhaps reduced to a rump, will the Bobian powers either turn on Lego, or on themselves. When that happens, RP and GS could get a chance to deal themselves back into the game.

We hope to hear from you soon.

Regards,

CH
GS

cc Togas

**Cort Haus** · December 6, 2003, 12:11

Please use the urls from last turn, just replace the dates with 370

Took 2 shots. Nothing exciting. ND retreating their defensive units after pillaging another one of our tiles.

They have 3 pikes to the west, 3 muskets to the south. No other units sighted.

In Pamplona we have:
8 catapults
2 knights (1 elite)
1 horseman
1 mid inf
14 pikes

We are running at -5gpt right now at 90% tax. I've started work on a marketplace in Pamplona that will be done in 10 turns. It'll put us back in the black.

We're working to improve the 3 upper Estonia cities and continue to have our workers improving the area around New Madrid

**Cort Haus** · December 6, 2003, 19:49

to Togas

Togas,

Here are our screenies from 380AD.

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The Gow Stack near Barca has 7 riders - we killed 3 others outside the stack, and we have about 4 pikes 2 knights and 2 cats at Barca-4 and 7 knights and a pike on the hill south of Pamp.

We are retreating from Toledo, and have offered it back to you so you can get a few gold out of it before ND get there in 3 turns. It may be that GoW want to hit soft targets before hitting Pamp. We also sent you Invention, and we have Gunpowder in 4 turns.

Regards,

CH

**Cort Haus** · December 9, 2003, 15:24

To BigFree and Togas

Hi BigFree,

Any news from your turn? Did Invention arrive safely?

We just asked Lego for gunpowder. We'll research it in four turns ourselves, but we said to them "if you want us off Bob prove that we're not holding any SP and we'll be off". We wait with interest.

Sooner or later, it'll be over for us both in Spain - for now - and we'd reallly like to know what your thoughts are on the immediate and medium-term future.

Pamplona : Saltpeter aside, would you prefer to stick it out and make them pay? Or would you prefer to keep your units?

N. Stomia : There are five cities up there. At size six they could probably pull in 80gpt. Subtract about 30gpt for unit maintenance on the sea-wall, and there should be enough for a modest but healthy research program, running in co-operation with our own to help us catch up the others. We'll continue to provide the sea wall until you have enough units of your own (I think 26 are needed). If you choose to spend your existing units at Pamp, or the enemy choose for you catapults would make excellent sea-wall units - cheap, they ping ships, don't have hp to lose, and could be very handy in the future.

Another thing to look forward to are your Conquistadors and your golden age. RP still have a chance of outliving GoW, and who knows what role later. If ND destroyed GoW then attacked Lego, all hell would break loose and there might be options reopening for us both on Bob. An ND/GoW attack on Lego would also be interesting. All speculation, but the first priority for both of us is survival. When the curtain finally comes down in Spain, GS needs to secure it's own borders (only N.Stormia has a sea wall now) and face the future.

We very much look forward to hearing your thoughts on these matters.

Regards,

CH

cc Togas

**Cort Haus** · December 10, 2003, 07:45

yet another message to RP

Hi BigFree,

It's looking like we won't be able to hold on for any saltpeter that's around, and we'll have to start leaving now. Gow have 15 riders and 8 cats at Barc-441. We intend to cut the road at Barc-44 to delay their advance, but fear we could end up losing almost everything. It seems that GoW are leaving Pamp and coming after us. We'll probabaly have to disband Barca next turn if GoW advance on it, and the others soon after.

We are still most anxious for you guys to talk to us about the future, and eagerly await your thoughts.

Regards,

CH

**Cort Haus** · December 10, 2003, 20:01

to Togas - screenies and report

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Togas,

We will be abandoning Barcelona next turn and pillaging the roads to prevent GoW's advance. Scorched eath is so tragic when we've both been trying to rebuild the area with our workers, but such is our destiny.

Your workers nearr Barca can move 9, but if GoW advance thay should disband on the turn after.

Please leave road at Tol-3 and Tol-32 clear for our units coming south.

Perhaps you other workers could run into jungle?

Let us know if you need some cash to maintain your forces in Pamplona, and please get in touch anyway - we need to discuss the future.

Regards,

CH

**asleepathewheel** · December 11, 2003, 09:48

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I'm certainly not the most active - I haven;t posted in the forum for some time. However, I have routine daily contact with ALL of these posters except for Aidun, who I still see occasionally in chat.

I will let all of them know of your concerns, but I fear that the malaise gripping most in the game is affecting RP members most.

If you need to, you can PM the questions etc. to me and I will use this to berate them into replaying as well.

Happy to help,
WIA.
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