$Mini-Game BETA: Trade Thread

[jdd2007]

former ministers should get at least a small pension.

[Kramerman]

Kramerman's Brothel Ranch
Turn #: 002
Holdings: Tile 029, SW BHQ, Grassland (mine, river, road)
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 0 commerce
Cash: $0
Debt: -$1500 (10% interest, 14 turns remaining on grace period)

Administered by: Pimp Daddy Kman

Stockpile:
0 food
1 shields
2 commerce


Last turn's completed trades:
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Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce
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Proposed Deals:

Sell 2 of 2 food @ $50 each (New D:S=28:36+2= $74 )
Sell 2 of 2 shields @ $60 each (New D:S = 18/21+2= $78)
Sell 3 of 4 commerce @ $60 (New D:S = 20/24+3= $74)

EDIT: Am i doing this right? any help would be much appreciated.

[Kramerman]

4) I will bid $80 for
>>>>>>>>>007 Apolyton NW12 (Mined grass rd) $80

3) I will bid $80 for
>>>>>>>>>016 Tassagrad N (Mined grass rd) $80

2) I will bid $80 for
>>>>>>>>>020 Tassagrad SW (mined grass rd) $80

1) and $75 for
>>>>>>>>>019 Tassagrad S (grass rd, mine?) $75

EDIT: I dunno if there is a limit. If there is, my priorities are numbered, depending on the limit.

[sc369]

The following people are entitled to salaries.

Ministers@$150: Togas, Uberkrux, Donal Graeme, Apocalypse, Will 5001, Whitebandit, Godking.

Deputies@$100: Spiffor, Aggie, OPD,jdjdjd, Rendelnep, Darkness' Edge, Gepap, adaMada

Newspaper Editor@$80: UnOrthOdOx
Co-Editor @$60: Donal Graeme

Judges@$55: Captain, notyoueither, Epistax, jdjdjd, Trip.

TOTAL SALARIES = 7*150 + 8*100 + 80 + 60 + 5*55
=1050 + 800 + 140 + 275
=2265

These may increase once the Government's financial position improves.

Those receiving multiple salaries add them together and receive them both/all.

EDIT: Salaries are provisional, and may not be paid until ratified by poll, and until the government has sufficient money to pay them.

[Kramerman]

Isnt that a little much for a salary per turn? I dunno, it just seems like alot.

[jdd2007]

it does seem like a lot. one question: how does a *deputy* make almost twice what a judge does?

also, how about $5-50 per turn for retired ministers?

[sc369]

So who thinks judges' salaries should be raised? I have assumed that the general work burden of a judge is lower than that of a deputy - am I wrong?

The salaries are not that high, really. Most of you lot made over $200 last turn - and that's only going to go up, when you get more tiles.

By (obviously unbiased) request of jd2007, retired ministers are awarded a pension of $10/turn - but these will have to be claimed individually, and non-claimed pensions will not be paid. Multiple former posts will still only result in one pension.

[Epistax]

Why do deputies get paid anything?
What if salaries weren't every turn?

Epistan Plantation, Turn 2.  Admin: Epistax
Holdings: 
     Tile 009, N Termina, 1/0/1
     Tile 012, NW Termina, 1/0/0
Buildings:
     N/A
Stockpile: 0+0 food    0+0 shields    0+0 commerce
Production:  2 food      0 shields      1 commerce
Cash Change: +$100
     100     Transactions
     55      Salary (Justice)*       
     0       Tax (Phew) *Subject to change
Current Cash: $80      Debt: -$750 (Interest @ turn 15)
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $50/ea
     0 Shld  @ N/A/ea
     1 Comm  @ $60/ea
New D/S:
     Food: 28/28+2    = $70
     Shld: 18/23+0    = $78
     Comm: 20/27+1    = $71

Question: How did we reach food 28, shield 18, and commerce 20? Food demand 28 means 14 population...

[jdd2007]

ok. wont lobby for pensions anymore.

[sc369]

There is no limit on leases of Govt. land - though competition for leases may drive up the prices.

Just to clarify on taxation, everyone; you are all, from this turn onwards (Turn 2), paying 10% of the value of your land, which will (until Turn 16) be considered to be the price that you paid for it. So Kramerman, you must pay $150 tax this turn, and jd2007 must pay $100. Taxation is borne by the OWNER of the property; thus, Civman2000 has to pay $100 even though his property is being run by Ghengis; he may well want to renegotiate his deal. This means that leasers of Government land pay NO TAX - an added incentive.

The tax may seem harsh, but you did get a very good deal on the loan, and the land cheaply. You'll still be able to make a fair amount of money.

EDIT: Due to feedback, taxation has been delayed until it can be ratified by poll at a later date.

[jdd2007]

what? we should get at least 10 turns without taxes. who died and made you god/tax collector?

[Epistax]

That is extremly harsh. So I pay $75 a turn on land I don't own yet (loaned until I can pay), which earned me $100 last turn?

[sc369]

Deputies do a fair amount of work sometimes; for example, OPD is governor of a whole region. Most deputies are highly active in the forums.

I agree that the tax is high - maybe too high. I'm just trying to get the government into a position to start paying salaries. You could think of the taxation as being instead of interest charged on the loan. You're all still in profit - it just means that you may not be all out of debt by the end of 15 turns.

If you're worried about having insufficient profit, you might like to think about leasing some of the Govt. land available - which is exempt from tax, and should more than pay its way, if the prices stay at the default.

Should I cut tax to 5%? That would be less drastic - but that would leave the State with not very much cash per turn.

Let me know what you think.

[Epistax]

I'll say this in such a way that it helps the most

The justice has biweekly meeting (2 a week, not every 2 weeks) which typically last over two hours with log sizes that rival turnchats.

[Kramerman]

5% is less drastic, but I say we should have a grace period. I mean, if I had warning before the game began, I could of planned my strategies around it, but it just being thrusted upon us just throws everything I was thinking about off. A grace period of sometime would help offest this, and allow me to rethink. With school i havent the time I used to to spend on the forum, so I cant think about this to much.
Thanks

Kman