Expansion Pack Civs Explained: Portuguese

[JayKay]

Originally posted by Trifna
They seem quite a mix of many to me...

Can you tell me which countries of Europe are not??

Don't you realize that Europe is called the "old continent" for a reason? It's called that way because the Mankind exists in Europe since it's dawn, and everywhere there's cultural traces from everyone!

You must remember that almost all the countries in Europe had that all of that cultural influence from so many and distinct civilizations like the Greeks, Celts, Phoenicians, Romans and Visigoths!
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Portugal
Nation of: Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition);
Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

[Excalibur]

Hmmm... I was wondering if the invention of the sextant could be included somehow... maybe a small wonder?

[Trifna]

Originally posted by JayKay


Can you tell me which countries of Europe are not??

Don't you realize that Europe is called the "old continent" for a reason? It's called that way because the Mankind exists in Europe since it's dawn, and everywhere there's cultural traces from everyone!

You must remember that almost all the countries in Europe had that all of that cultural influence from so many and distinct civilizations like the Greeks, Celts, Phoenicians, Romans and Visigoths!
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Portugal
Nation of: Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition);
Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

Hehe... yes, factual.
But I don't know if they got the time to differentiate themselves from all these influences or if they are a mix, and not that much more. As Canadian, which are a nice mix of many but wont be a civ in Civ III because they didn't elaborated by themselves enough to be distinctive from their sources enough.

[Zealot]

Re: So much to be said, so little time...

Originally posted by Ecowiz Returns
The Spanish King, however, surelly hit the Jackpot!

What if the Portuguese King financed Columbus journey? There wouldn't be any Tordesilles treaty, because the American continent would have been reclaimed by the Portuguese crown...

[JayKay]

Originally posted by Trifna



Hehe... yes, factual.
But I don't know if they got the time to differentiate themselves from all these influences or if they are a mix, and not that much more. As Canadian, which are a nice mix of many but wont be a civ in Civ III because they didn't elaborated by themselves enough to be distinctive from their sources enough.

I don't think you're serious, when you compare Canada with Portugal!

That cultural influence in Portugal was about 900 years ago, and in Canada it was about 100 years ago!

Portugal had more than enough time to differentiate from that influences, and a fact is it's own language (Portuguese) which is unique, aldo it comes from Latin, like almost all the other languages, including English! Canada, for the other hand, didn't had that much time to develop their own culture, and culturally speaking, it's very simillar to the U.S. (a result of the proximity of both, the common languange and common roots) and to the so called "ocidental culture"!
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Portugal
Nation of: Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition);
Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

[Ecowiz Returns]

Re: Re: So much to be said, so little time...

Originally posted by Zealot
What if the Portuguese King financed Columbus journey? There wouldn't be any Tordesilles treaty, because the American continent would have been reclaimed by the Portuguese crown...

If I recall correctly, prior to the Tordesilles Treaty, another was established that divided the Earth through a Paralel, and not a Meridian. I'm not sure but I believe Portugal had rights over the South half, which didn't include India, much more valuable than America, in those days.

Also, I don't know if a Spanish Pope would favour any agreement in which Portugal claimed rights over almost all of the populated world (only Oceania would be left).

[Trifna]

Originally posted by JayKay


I don't think you're serious, when you compare Canada with Portugal!

That cultural influence in Portugal was about 900 years ago, and in Canada it was about 100 years ago!

Portugal had more than enough time to differentiate from that influences, and a fact is it's own language (Portuguese) which is unique, aldo it comes from Latin, like almost all the other languages, including English! Canada, for the other hand, didn't had that much time to develop their own culture, and culturally speaking, it's very simillar to the U.S. (a result of the proximity of both, the common languange and common roots) and to the so called "ocidental culture"!
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Portugal
Nation of: Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition);
Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

Canada's influence=100 years??? If you say so... as a Canadian, I never thaught Canada ever had any influence to say true...
No seriously, little but it stil is a very young country without any real power presently or before.

Canada was only a comparison. We call it a proof by the ridiculous (well we call it like that in french). I just extremized what I wated to show. Of course I know that about anything on Earth has more culture, excepting transgenic cereals maybe...

An about Portugal, maybe it had time to distinguish itself with time, but it needs to have distinguish from oothers too... I mean, all countries that have some history are distinctive. What is important is the degree of distinction. Like Irak, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Algeria, etc. They have some similarities atogether, even if they are countries with centuries of history and are distinctive. I'd class many of them in "Arab".

[JayKay]

Originally posted by Trifna



Canada's influence=100 years???

I didn't said that Canada had influence for 100 years. I said Canada suffered from external influence 100 years ago. This is a lot different!

Canada was only a comparison. We call it a proof by the ridiculous (well we call it like that in french).

We call something like that in Portugal too!

An about Portugal, maybe it had time to distinguish itself with time, but it needs to have distinguish from oothers too... I mean, all countries that have some history are distinctive. What is important is the degree of distinction. Like Irak, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Algeria, etc. They have some similarities atogether, even if they are countries with centuries of history and are distinctive. I'd class many of them in "Arab".

Again, i don't think that's an appropriate comparison! Because that countries you mention are much younger than Portugal! And aldo i see your point, i must disagree with you, because i really think Portugal is very distinct of Spain! But, it's my opinion!
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Portugal
Nation of: Magellan's (from Magellan's Expedition);
Vasco da Gama (Discoverer of the Maritime path to India);
and Pedro Álvares Cabral (Discoverer of Brazil in 1500)

[Jay Bee]

Opinions, opinions, it's all about opinions ain't it? In my very own opinion, Portugal is closer to Castilla than Castilla is to Catalonia

Anyway, more food for thought: have you guys ever thought about what could have happened had Isabella of Castile married that old Portuguese king instead of Ferdinand of Aragon? Things would have been soooo different...

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
In my very own opinion, Portugal is closer to Castilla than Castilla is to Catalonia

In my very own opinion, Galicia is closer to Portugal than Galicia is to Castilla

[Jay Bee]

Opinion which I agree with 100%


In summary, we Iberians aren't that different

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
we Iberians aren't that different

Actually, I think we are, and Spain is the perfect example of it. Portugal is different from Galicia, Galicia is diferent from Castille, Castile is different from Catalunya, and there's (amazingly) something called the Basque country!

The iberean peninsula is an excelent example of such cultural variety in such a small territory!

[Jay Bee]

And in the end we are all members of the same civilization cos we are tied by the same historical ties, my point from they very beginning

BTW, why is it amazing that there is something called Basque Country?

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Jay Bee
BTW, why is it amazing that there is something called Basque Country?

Man, their language is so weird!
I wonder if they were "romanized" in any way! It has nothing to do with latin!

And don't answer about it here, please! That would be thread jacking!

[Jay Bee]

okay, okay!

But what do you think of what I wrote above about Isabella marrying the Portuguese heir instead of the Argonese heir? Wouldn't that have changed everything?