Delenda sunt...

[La Fayette]

IIRC, SG(1) used to have 'Delenda est Carthago' written somewhere in his sig. I notice that this is not written anywhere now.
Wise idea, IMO.



(the guy to the left is SG(2), explaining how to protect Carthage against fierce Roman attacks)

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Here's a genius idea to eliminate the need for two Halls of Fame. Start the scenario as the Celts. Before moving, save the game as a new scenario and toggle the goody box option. Nobody seems to want the Ptolomies, I'll lead them to glory!

Some of the reasons the outlying civs are going to be harder to win are simply distance. Reaching Gades or La Tene from the eastern mediterranean takes a minimum of 20 turns. The western civs start at least as far east as near the middle of the map, shortening the ground they need to cover...

[Marquis de Sodaq]

I replayed this (hutless) scenario thrice over the weekend. Two new standards can be added to the Hall of Fame. I tried to recapture the Seleucid title - your honor remains, La Fayette, as I didn't get La Tene until 199bc, a 78 year outing.

One of my primary problems with shaving years off the conquest is the irresistible urge for total conquest. I'd start expanding outward, sacking everything in my path. This time I waltzed past non-objectives, unless they were in the way. Also, I've avoided bribing cities, just a personal preference.

With the Ptolomies, I captured the final objective, La Tene, in 194bc - an 83 year conquest.

The Independent Greeks sacked Memphis in 181bc - a 96 year conquest.

The poor Celts start in despotism. I suspect the hutless game, with no government change, might be too much for me. I just nipped the century mark with huts. I said in an earlier post that I didn't think huts made too much of a difference; I'd say that isn't true for the Celts and maybe the Independents. The latter have nowhere to grow and increase the production base except Gaul, which is swarming with hostile Gauls...

[La Fayette]

Well done, Marquis, but don't be shy! You are allowed to conquer early even with the Seleucids (though not changing government might be a heavy handicap, especially with the Celts).

Rome scenario
TINY HALL OF FAME
(without huts)

Romans (40 years): DrFell
Seleucids (72 years): La Fayette
Carthaginians (74 years): EOL
Ptolemaic (83 years): Marquis de Sodaq
Macedonians (89 years): La Fayette
Independent (96 years): Marquis de Sodaq
Celts (?): (?)

(Hall of fame with huts unchanged)




(this guy is DaveV testing a new method to win the game in less than 40 years... with the Celts)

[La Fayette]

Rome (ptolemaic with huts)

sorry, Marquis, I just had a try at the Rome scenario (tipping huts with the Ptolemaic): 88 years.
Therefore,

Tiny Hall of Fame
(with huts)

Seleucids (68 years): La Fayette
Ptolemaic (88 years): La Fayette
Independent (92 years): Marquis de Sodaq
Celts (99 years): Marquis de Sodaq

(Hall of Fame without huts unchanged)



(this guy is a greedy ICSer not willing to see our names in the hall)

...but they are

[KrazyHorse]

Eh? Am I missing something, or did you replace Marquis' 83 year record with an 88 year record? Since not tipping huts is a disadvantage, why doesn't his 83 without huts beat your 88 with huts?

[DrFell]

There are two halls of fame, one with huts and one without. The 83 yr record in the hall of fame with huts still stands. The without huts hall of fame has been updated.

[KrazyHorse]

Yeah, but if the no tipping record is better than the tipping record, shouldn't it be in both?

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Actually, look more closely. The hutless record is my 83 years, the record with huts is now 88, replacing my old 96 year game. Maybe you should fire up the scenario, win in 82 years, and make it all moot! Four civs have yet to be entered in the Hall at all. Have a go, it's fun!

La Fayette, yes, not changing government is crippling to the Celts. The monarchies do quite well, but despotism is hard to put up with, especially in those far flung cities. The corruption is terrible, production is weak.

[La Fayette]

KrazyHorse
Have a try!
I bet those 88 years are quite easy to beat (perhaps after a bit of training ), since I had several bad periods (clever counter attacks by AI's diplos that cost me at least 6 ironclads + I simply forgot tipping most of the huts after my explorer got killed by barbs and I was busy elsewhere).
I am now busy giving a helping hand to the American independence (scenario Independence: I felt suddenly that, bearing the name of La Fayette, I had to play that one ), but I intend to come back to Rome after that .
Let us hope that DaveV, EOL, DrFell and Marquis de Sodaq also find some spare time, so that we get at least a record for each civ (with AND without huts ).

[La Fayette]

Close combat

I was willing to write a definite number of years in front of one of the civs that had nothing yet, but I forgot to check before starting my game and played the Carthaginians (without huts) instead of the Celts.
Rhodes falls in 203. This means 75 years.
EOL, this leaves the Hall of Fame unchanged, since you won in 74 years.

(this guy is La Fayette, sorry for what happened)

[SlowThinker]

Originally posted by DaveV
Due to not rereading this thread, I went for a total conquest victory instead of just capturing all the objective cities.

How will I find out the objectives of a scenario?

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by SlowThinker

How will I find out the objectives of a scenario?

Do you really intend to start PLAYING?
SlowThinker actually playing civ, that's news

The 2 main ways of finding the objectives are:
1) Check the 'Find City' pop up (when a city is objective, it is written there; so is the value: x2 or x3 when it happens). This is the way I use.
2) Read the rules.txt (or something like that: some people love reading these and even modifying them, but I don't).
There are sometimes differences between the different versions of the game, but it seems that they are due to hasty programming: some objectives happen to be forgotten in some versions but I have never heard of DIFFERENT objectives.
Good civing,ST!


( La Fayette, having a look at a savegame showing that SlowThinker HAS IN FACT TAKEN an objective)

[SlowThinker]

Thank you, La Fayette

Originally posted by La Fayette
Do you really intend to start PLAYING?
SlowThinker actually playing civ, that's news

maybe...

Originally posted by La Fayette
The 2 main ways of finding the objectives are:
1) Check the 'Find City' pop up (when a city is objective, it is written there; so is the value: x2 or x3 when it happens). This is the way I use.

x2 or x3 : is this multiplying? What is multiplied?

[SlowThinker]

What will happen if somebody else will destroy an Objective city? (I noticed that Pella was attacked hardly in the beginning of the scenario and its size is 1 now...)

Originally posted by La Fayette
What is required is taking (or destroying) all 21 objectives.

I have 16 objectives only...(MGE)