"Nothin' Fancy" Sxn Game

[Scouse Gits]

SCG - what's a SSC? - this is the RAR playing. not some perfectionist wimp

Somewhat more seriously, our chunk of real estate is sorely lacking in trade specials, we have as yet to find a decent site for a SSC - in the meantime tasking a horde of sleazy cities to produce three or four arrows each is a fair substitute - see my post above.

SG[1]

keep the robust constructive criticism coming guys - i can take it as well as dish it

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I see the save... I should be able to download and play it after work, or over the weekend!

[Grigor]

Panag -

My saves are posted on the bottom of p. 2 and much of p. 3 of this thread. I can download them from Apolyton on my own computer by selecting the Download to Disk function and then renaming the file using a .sav suffix. That downloaded file opens on my computer, which of course is a Mac, so the problem is probably not Apolyton's. When I download MGE saves in same way I cannot open them. I can open zipped 2.42 saves by using stuffit expander. If you have any suggestions, I would like to hear about them, because I certainly enjoyed playing the turns in this succession game although not the aftermath so much...

[Panag]

Originally posted by Grigor
Panag -

My saves are posted on the bottom of p. 2 and much of p. 3 of this thread. I can download them from Apolyton on my own computer by selecting the Download to Disk function and then renaming the file using a .sav suffix. That downloaded file opens on my computer, which of course is a Mac, so the problem is probably not Apolyton's. When I download MGE saves in same way I cannot open them. I can open zipped 2.42 saves by using stuffit expander. If you have any suggestions, I would like to hear about them, because I certainly enjoyed playing the turns in this succession game although not the aftermath so much...

hi ,

this may sound funny , but try a virus scanner , nothing seems wrong at this stage , but try a firus scan with updated info , what OS are you running , programs , etc , .....

do you have both civ II and civ III installed
it has given problems before with older OS , ....

are you fully updated on all your programs and OS

have you tried a diskcheck

what about a reformat of the harddrives

have a nice day

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

The reign of STYOM the indecisive

1000 BC: Things look good We can have the Gardens in a couple of turns, via Caravans. We're OK, demographically. There's no money to tickle with. We're Supreme, and warring with the Vikes.

Goals... finish HG and plop down a few cities. Explore. Trade if feasible. Find a suitable site for a science city, and grow it and/or Madrid.

Viking Chariot wipes out our southern Horseman unit

975: Rush Warriors in Cadiz, so we can use the Chariot there for exploring/defence of south frontier.

950: Beads Seville>Madrid, 16 g.

STYOM mutters about the Vike chariot running loose south of Madrid.

Peace with Vikings, no tribute.

925: Hanging Gardens in Madrid; celebration. Workers rearranged to max shields. Science rate goes to 6 turns, but we should get Mysticsm in 2 turns regardless.

900: No Tribute from Vikings. Vikings appear to have built a city at 59,53, per their map.

875: Mysticism discovered. Lots of choices - Writing to give us Diplomats and a head start to Philosophy>Mono? Polytheism for Ellies and again on the route to Monotheism..? Feudalism (no); Seafaring (not yet); Wheel (not instead of Polytheism!). STYOM arbitrarily decides on Writing as our next choice - it also leads to Republic, of course.

STYOM fiddles with worker placement and settles on 7 turns/tech placement. We could get to 6/tech at the cost of a lot of shields by working oceans squares, but the shields going to caravans should offset that.

850: Settlers in Saragossa.

Americans start Pyramids.

825: Settlers in Salamanca and Hello There. Bilbao founded.

800: No Tribute from Vikings.

775: Settlers in Valencia. Granada founded. Science now 6 turns/tech.

750: Nothing of consequence except that the home continent has been circumnavigated.

725: Writing discovered now researching Literacy towards Philosophy and Republic (and towards Mono for the aggressive souls among us).

50 g Tribute from Vikings.

Madrid grows to size 5 and then a Settler is added to make size 6. Elvis is hired so celebrations resume next turn (changing Lux to 20 doesn't help... should have seen that coming - Lux rate certainly will help next turn when celebration resumes )

700: Taxes now 1/2/7; Elvis fired in Madrid.

Hladir, undefended size 1 Viking city is spotted SE of Bilbao!! A conundrum presents itself. We are on our way to Republic. We are a peaceful people (except DaveV ) The Vikings have been quite kind of late.

We ask for tribute and get another 25 g... was hoping for war. Oh well! Here's a fine opportunity to test whether size 1 cities are always razed

Hladir destroyed, netting us 5 gold and Wheel. Workers move offshore in Madrid - 'van next turn.

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Madrid is fine at size 6 until we get Mono, probably - Colossus is an option there, as is a library. No decent SSC sites found. We have lots of gold, and a messed up reputation. Oops. Our cities are pumping out Settlers and Caravans, and we've moved up in the Demographics.

Over to you La Fayette

[SCG]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
SCG - what's a SSC? - this is the RAR playing. not some perfectionist wimp

Somewhat more seriously, our chunk of real estate is sorely lacking in trade specials, we have as yet to find a decent site for a SSC - in the meantime tasking a horde of sleazy cities to produce three or four arrows each is a fair substitute - see my post above.

SG[1]

keep the robust constructive criticism coming guys - i can take it as well as dish it

Well, given the land as i knew it back in 2500, I was looking towards where Bilbao was founded as the best choice - close to Madrid, 5 sea spaces (including a fish)and did have silk and a wheat - which could become 2 wheat for growth and 2 silk for science if so desired. Looking at the map now, it still looks like the best spot

Of course I did miss quite a bit of strategizing during the 2002 year. Is silk no longer considered a trade special? I know wheat is still good for einsteins

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

I suppose Bilbao is a decent SSC site - no rivers, which is something I look for - but I'd be hesitant to really develop the area with the Vikings around. Definitely, we need a buffer city near the choke point to guard our development. And Bilbao has a lot of swamp around, too... lots of work needed there.

[Bloody Monk]

Question if you don't mind, SG[1]...

Is there some way you know before doing it that the hidden specials at (58,30) and (60,24) are NOT going to be trade specials??

Monk

[Scouse Gits]

Silk is a trade special - and no there is currently no way to KNOW, but the special groups of 8 have IIRC 4 distinct patterns and retain that pattern round the 'band' so once the map is opened up a bit it is possible to make a damn good guess - which I readily admit I have not yet tried to do on the sites you mention.

SG[1]

[Bloody Monk]

SG[1],

That's what I was wondering. So, if I read you correctly, does the pheasant under Saragossa indicate the likelihood of more pheasants as nearby hidden specials, rather than silk??

Monk

[Scouse Gits]

BM - It depends upon the resource seed of the map. Some seeds mix trade specials others don't. The best way to understand this is by creating a world in Map Editor and keep changing the resource seed. Otherwise just reveal the map in some games and the various patterns become clear.

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SG(2)

[Bloody Monk]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
BM - It depends upon the resource seed of the map. Some seeds mix trade specials others don't. The best way to understand this is by creating a world in Map Editor and keep changing the resource seed. Otherwise just reveal the map in some games and the various patterns become clear.

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SG(2)

Scouser Twoser,

Hopefully others may be in the dark as much as I am, for I must ask, what is a resource seed??

And how will revealing the map make hidden specials (and what they will become when changed) become clear??

Sorry but I am not understanding...Thanks.

Monk

[SCG]

Originally posted by Bloody Monk
Hopefully others may be in the dark as much as I am, for I must ask, what is a resource seed??

And how will revealing the map make hidden specials (and what they will become when changed) become clear??

Sorry but I am not understanding...Thanks.

Monk

I haven't played with the hut finder program yet (keep meaning to )

a seed is the initial number used to start the 'random' number generator. Incedentally if you go into the map generator, one of the options under tools is to set the resource seed. As SG(2) mentions, each seed (or number) creates a different layout of the resources. Playing with that can reveal some general patterns which have been discussed to some extent in the strategy forum among other places.

Anyway, once you start recognizing the patterns, you can start to see them in actual games and make educated guesses as to what should be where

[Bloody Monk]

Thanks, SCG. I'll check that out.

Monk

[Scouse Gits]

BM - Reveal some maps via cheat in a few games. Follow the patterns of specials from west - east. Sometimes you will see groups in bands of non trade specials like pheasant/coal/fish but other times there will be silk/wine/whale. Some seeds group the trade or non trade specials whilst other seeds mix them! If you are on a map which groups them, the hidden special is easier to second guess. Just from memory I think the lower resource seeds as recorded in Hut Finder tend to be grouped...all trade or non trade. The joker special is Gold which always appears with the non trade specials.

If you have map editor play with the seed generator. Start at 0 and work up to 63 to see the different configurations of specials.

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SG(2)