Stella Polaris departs from Apolyton

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When Ras rereads his posts tomorrow he will probably see that he went over the line...

Hmmh. I've only read this topic. Is there some place where you are referring to when talking the Ras as the 'big bad guy'?

Rasbelin -- > That "I don't care about what you think, because it's boring" tactic works for a while. That means, for the first 5 days you're registered. Now it doesn't, anymore.

(especially Ming who started to ***** at me).

You know, if he hasn't been flaming elsewhere, he's correct. Try to keep a little nicer attitude to avoid this bs, mods...

...is it possible to ban someone for... something like 6 hours? It's 00:52 AM here.

EDIT:

PCR/ban him

If someones should get a PCR, those are MrMitchell, Taz and BigCrunch

EDIT2:

What did I do????

I'm genuinely a SMAX nut (Still playing even) and I'm very sad that Stella Polaris has died. I thought Rasbelin opened the thread for precisely that kind of sentiment...

Obviously you know better

Well, I'm still sad...

(1) Notice the .
(2) If you really took it seriously, you could've tried to keep the thread on-topic by PMing me...
(3) If you ARE a SMAX-nut who has been waiting StP, you have been checking the StP-forums, right? Well, if you have been watching them, this shouldn't be a big surprise to you, right?

Obviously no-one is allowed to display any consternation at how this thread has gone and the StP site has crashed.

Yes. Thank you for expressing it in 2 1-line posts inside 3 minutes.

[Rasbelin]

Nooo... not a PCR. If he's doing something, then I want a ban. PCRs are rather unprogressive as you don't get to Mingapulco.

Yes, FP has a point. I'm a wacko and very bored by life itself and Apolyton (especially Ming who started to ***** at me).

[Hueij]

Is there some place where you are referring to when talking the Ras as the 'big bad guy'?

Huh? I don't think Ras is a "big bad guy" I just think he went overboard in this thread and that he will see that after a good night sleep. His * Rasbelin gets something more to drink. remark being a point in case...

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Huh? I don't think Ras is a "big bad guy" I just think he went overboard in this thread and that he will see that after a good night sleep. His * Rasbelin gets something more to drink. remark being a point in case...

Umm... Ras has often been 'overboard' in the past, but:

Dan and Markos, despite you did help much with some publicity and the StP forum, you should understand that I'm a dissatisfied customer and feel ignored by you as you have failed to properly deliver The Column writings in a reasonable time, rather than releasing a redundant text in January that was written in early September. You should have concidered more seriously the offers of help with editing The Column feature. I'm also wondering what happened to the revised edition of the Alt.Civs guide which included StP and would have been useful for PR. And where are the Game Development Teams Civgroups I suggested and did the background work for, 4 months ago? I assume you're too busy creating DG Civgroups and some even more urgent RoN beta tester Civgroup. And Markos, don't come and say I'm rude. If someone is rude, then it's you as you seem to have put very little interest in these small things you have promised to do. All this could have boosted our visibility on Apolyton. I even recall an affiliation agreement that we would be somehow visible here, but I assume it's not in your interest. Thanks to Solver for showing greater interest towards the project than any other staff member.

Yeah Yeah Yeah... take your cheap and uncalled for shots at MarkG and DanQ.

They were nice enough to provide your team with a place on their site... Do some promotional efforts for you, and your response is to stab them in the back.
It's too bad they might not have given you everything you wanted... but for you to insult them because of that is just lame at best. Instead of giving them thanks for the support they did provide, you whine like a stuck pig.

It seems like the problems with your project are self inflicted... to even hint that you might have succeeded with a little more PR from this site is absurd at best.

When I first saw the thread title, I was saddened to see that another excellent project and idea was falling by the wayside.

But after reading your attacks against people that at least gave you some support... I now don't really care.

To take a line from you... You will probably just post that I'm being rude... And frankly, I don't care... because you have shown to be ungrateful to people who gave you some support.

With an attitude like that, it's no surprise your project went down in flames.

Way to go, Ming! It's good that we have a mod who starts posting personal insults in the Community-forum

...remember, I don't know the whole story, altough I've been watching StP-project pretty closely in the past...

[spartak]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu
If someones should get a PCR, those are MrMitchell, Taz and BigCrunch

What did I do????

I'm genuinely a SMAX nut (Still playing even) and I'm very sad that Stella Polaris has died. I thought Rasbelin opened the thread for precisely that kind of sentiment...

Obviously you know better

Well, I'm still sad...

[Ming]

Originally posted by Rasbelin
especially Ming who started to ***** at me).

I see you can give it out like you did to Mark and Dan, but you can't take it back...

If you are so sick of it, why even post this thread then...
But no, you wanted to take your "cheap shots"... so be man enough to take em back...

[Ben Kenobi]

Way to go, Ming! It's good that we have a mod who starts posting personal insults in the Community-forum.

Ming sticks to Rasbelin's comments direct at Dan and Markos.

Not personal at all.

I suggest you read his post more carefully.

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Not personal at all.

Really?

It seems like the problems with your project are self inflicted... to even hint that you might have succeeded with a little more PR from this site is absurd at best.

To take a line from you... You will probably just post that I'm being rude... And frankly, I don't care... because you have shown to be ungrateful to people who gave you some support.

With an attitude like that, it's no surprise your project went down in flames.

To quote you:

I suggest you read his post more carefully.

But no, you wanted to take your "cheap shots"... so be man enough to take em back...

It seems that I've gone blind... where are these "cheap shots"?
No, I'm not saying that you shouldn't do this or shouldn't do that, but my humble opinion is that if you want to avoid bs, try always simply to be nice. Yes, I'm aware of the fact that this sounds pretty stupid.

have a nice day

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu
If someones should get a PCR, those are MrMitchell, Taz and BigCrunch

Obviously no-one is allowed to display any consternation at how this thread has gone and the StP site has crashed.

[Ming]

Tuomerehu...

Read what he wrote about the owners of the site in his "little tirade"...
These are the people that gave his group a forum of their own, and helped promote them... and he lays some of the blame for the failure of the project on them.

He shows absolutely NO CLASS by doing that... doesn't even thank them for what they did do...
I have no problem pointing this out to him... or pointing out the facts when it comes to the problems his little group encountered.

If you will notice, the project is over because many of their key figures simply walked away... And that's the facts based on what Ras wrote.

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Read what he wrote about the owners of the site in his "little tirade"...
These are the people that gave his group a forum of their own, and helped promote them... and he lays some of the blame for the failure of the project on them.

He shows absolutely NO CLASS by doing that... doesn't even thank them for what they did do...
I have no problem pointing this out to him... or pointing out the facts when it comes to the problems his little group encountered.

If you will notice, the project is over because many of their key figures simply walked away... And that's the facts based on what Ras wrote.

Read and understood
Thanks for the fast reply.

[Rasbelin]

I didn't lay the blame on them at anytime, Ming. Actually I brought the issue up in the context as feedback to persons who have been involved somehow in the project; not necessarily what they role is in this failure of the project. But if you want to interpet it like that, then fine, whatever.

[H Tower]

@ Ras


I would have to agree with ming on everything he's said. that was a cheap shot you took at Dan and Mark

[Jeremy Buloch]

Wow, after seeing that this official statement was made and all of the posts. Here is what I have to say, as one of the most active and dedicated members of Stp (I have analyzed the situation and came to this conclusion...):

Rasbey, You said on SPF that the project will go on. But now without notifing the team you kill the project. - Unfair.
I object to this decision and had confidence in your decision making but now that has to be re-evaluated. Please let this project go on or if you dont want it to then at least let someone else take command. Like you have stated before you dont own the project so you shouldn't do the decision making by yourself. It should be a Democracy where we vote and we did do that and the vote was "keep it alive".
(My Opinion and it is shared by a whole bunch of people.)
After your banning me from FreeAC Blake put me back and I'm grateful and our differences were stopped and we got along. I wish you good luck now as you have ruined your reputation greatly. I dont want to fight with you as its pointless to fight with insults. It will get us nowhere. Now if you aren't able to keep up the work with StP, then I will take command. I will and that doesn't bother me, I know you dont think I'm capable of doing mangement but I can be a leader and a manager will be apointed. I can apoint various members for the head people. I wont let this project die. Many projects out there are handeled by one person alone and it goes on slowly but surely. Now with a team it goes by faster and better so I think your decisions are'nt good enough.
Now I understand that you were pressured and didn't know any other way to back away from the pressures other than killing the project off. But you should have appointed someone else instead of killing it. There you made a problem. Now if you will please release the files I will be very happy. I dont wish to provoke a fight as stated before I merely want a great project to be kept. I'm going to have a vacation soon in one day and it'll last for a week so I will be able to do alot of planning and work on the re-construction of the project. I will also welcome and appreciate support from the Apolyton team members and I will not insult any of the staff as I have not done to any other person. I'm a neutral person, a person that only wishes to be good with people.

The Team is keen to work and people like Joeno will be be put onto the team. When and if I take charge I will let the team make decisions for themselves, I will not let this project go down I have lots of ideas and I even once considered on developing a game and figured this project will give me the experiance needed. I am up to the task but I do not plan on doing it on my own, I need people like you, people that are dedicated to doing this project as much as I am, people that wont quit when the going gets rough. This project will survive, it will strive, it will become a great project that people will rememeber in a community of awesome gamers.

**Sidnotes:
- Vovan for personal reasons wasn't able to do the code, I wont disclose this information because that would be a violation of personal privacy. I understand fully that he couldn't do it but tried under heavy circumstances. I give him a plus for doing that.
- If Rasbey wont release the information from SPF then we have to rebuild the project from the ground up and it will be a huge hard task but the task is worth taking.
- I wish to be neutral so please no insults.

-J.B.- Jbace ~ Former Helpmate(Changed), GUI Developer(Changed), and Game Concept Developer.

[Frozzy]

Whatever opinions Ras has about what happened, I don't care.

I want to thank Dan + Markos for keeping the project alive a few months more. Without their continued support of the project, we would have been dead from the falling of the old FreeAC fora. It takes a hell of a lot of time to maintain a site as succesful as Apolyton, and a hell of a lot of effort. Regardless of Ras' opinions, you helped the best you could, and it's made me respect you as site owners a lot.

To the coders, **** happens. Some of you pumped your hearts into the idea, like bunnies overcharged with adrenaline, but for outside factors, your work was unrewarded, and all contributed to a dream. The dream may not have been reality, but we had a go. And that's what matters in the end.

To those interested: Thanks. Support is what was needed, but ultimately we as a team failed. We're sorry. That's all we can say...

As Ras said, "from ashes to ashes, from dust to dust", but maybe like the phoenix we can rise from those ashes and return in another form.

Don't blow the candle 'til the last patron's left the bar. And I hope we haven't even reached last orders yet