Sparta-Angels relations

[Googlie]

How about trading Doc Flex to the Gaians straight up for Social psych, with the usual embargo on on-trading, then trade it straight up to the Angels for Ind econ, with no embargo.

Then we turn around and either trade Ind econ to Zak for Biogen or Prog Psych, and to Lal for the other missing one

That way we'll get 3 techs for 1, no probe losses, no hassle

[Googlie]

Going back to their p[osting in the Embassy:

Originally posted by GeoModder in the Embassy
The staff of the Commercial Ops Centre have asked me to inquire about the possibility of acquiring Doctrine: Flexibility.

Is this technology tradeble for their Spartan counterparts, and so yes, what sort(s) of reward would be required for this technology?

Why do they assume we have it (if their allies, the Gaians, were offering it to us in the future for a "now" trade"}

[Kassiopeia]

I'm fine with giving the Angels DocFlex for IndEcon, but only Social Psych from the Gaians? Nothing else? Plus the Gaians'll still be wanting EthCalc.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
but only Social Psych from the Gaians? Nothing else?

Good point - after we made such a fuss about the level for level tech trades early in our relationship

For Soc Psych plus 50 ec's?

Plus the Gaians'll still be wanting EthCalc.

I still think we should float the "Licence fee" concept to all teams - if at the end of the day we walk away with 300 to 450 ec's for a somewhat nefariously acquired tech, then i think we've done exceptionally well

Greed will get us nothing but bad vibes and maybe that 3 versus 1 gangup that we don't want.

So I keep going back to that original concept with the trade embargo, the agreement not to build the CDF and the lease payments (I liked Maniac's compromise of 15 per year for 10 years. - that has the advantage for us too that it uses up their liquidity, and they can't thus spend it on crawler or unit upgrades or rush builds, while we, of course, would use that revenue for exactly that)

But we'll never know if its even of interest to the others, 'cos we're still talking about how huge the pie will be (that's not even baked yet)

[Kassiopeia]

Yeh. I'll agree with selling EthCalc to the Gaians for the terms you described and 15 credits for 10 years. And with selling DocFlex for SOcPsych for 50 credits, and for IndEcon to the Angels. Now just someone else please agree!

[KrysiasKrusader]

Yea. Sure. Fine. Approved.



(I also just saw the other thread about being out of step. I'll make some coffee and start responding to that one...)

[Kassiopeia]

Okay! I'll start drafting up the proposals.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Googlie
Why do they assume we have it (if their allies, the Gaians, were offering it to us in the future for a "now" trade"}

Err, I told GeoModder a while ago. I assumed that was common knowledge as the logical Spartan strategy. I also said we'd be willing to trade them anything the Angels requested, but we're wondering what the Angels could give in return. I've asked if they'd be willing to research HEC for us, and Geo says he'll think about it and propose it to the Angels.

[Maniac]

I'd like the Gaian EthCalc trade and the Angel DocFlex<->IndEcon trade. I don't see the point though of buying SocPsych from the Gaians when we could get steal it from both Zak or Yang, but I'm in the minority so I guess I'll just shut up.

[Kassiopeia]

I could always ask them, what would they like to offer us, instead of asking for Social Psych. That never hurts.

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Maniac
Err, I told GeoModder a while ago.

, , my fellow officer. A serious breach of discipline. (That's the Junta reprimanding you across the Council table)

But it's done now, so the Gaians will already know.

(Did you also happen to divulge that we had Morgan's commlink?)

G GLIE

PS: EDIT: To fellow Members of the Junta:

Should Lt Colonel Maniac appear before a Court Martial to explain this egregious breach of Junta solidarity (or are Lt Colonels immune to the Kangaroo Court type of disciplinary actioin that we meted out to Captain - now Lieutenant - Snoddasmannen?

Lt.Colonel Googlie,
Recording Officer to the Junta

[Googlie]

Originally posted by Maniac
I don't see the point though of buying SocPsych from the Gaians when we could get steal it from both Zak or Yang

I thought the idea was for them to "buy" Doc Flex from us for Social Psych +50 ec's?

I'd agree it's a nono if we were shelling out our hard earned ec's for something we could probesteal, but that's not the suggestion.

And the purpose of getting it in trade (as with Ind econ, Prog Psych and Biogenetics) is just this:

After investing 2 or 3 turns in getting a probe team to a port, moving the trannie there, and watching the probe teams playing bridge or poker for three to five turns while the trannie approaches a different Uni port or a Hive port, and we finally steal, and get .................. biogenetics ............. I think most of us would pissed off.
Especially if we lost the probe team in the effort.

So I'm advocating that we trade for any tech that another faction has, and reserve our precious probes for extracting meaningful ones from the AI

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Googlie
, , my fellow officer. A serious breach of discipline. (That's the Junta reprimanding you across the Council table)

Yeah, it's sometimes annoying when Geo talks about the ACDG. Then he for example asks "You are planning to attack the Hive right? That's why you didn't research Industrial Automation. You went for impact weapons, didn't you! " I just smile then, and then he sometimes sees it as a confirmation. (So probably he's currently thinking we're planning to invade Yang.) Anyway, when he next visits I could tell him I don't want to talk about the ACDG?

(Did you also happen to divulge that we had Morgan's commlink?)

Nope.

[Googlie]

(see my Morgan thread post)

[Kassiopeia]

The Junta has decided to ask you the technology called Industrial Economics in exchange. Note that all of our tech exchanges by default entail a 15 year embargo covering trade to third parties (including the transfer of units with abilities given by said tech to a third faction to reverse engineer the ability).

Would you also be interested in negotiating a trade for Ethical Calculus? The going price is 15 credits for 10 mission years. You must also agree to not build Citizen's Defence Force, since Intellectual Integrity will be a derivative of our intellectual property. (I apologize if the Angel faction feels insulted at the term, you may suggest a better one if you find it uncomfortable.)