Diplomatic contact with the Data Angels

[smacksim]

Apparently it is for me....

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Greetings, Lord Illuminatus!

I can give you a short answer on this one: no, the Data Angels are not in the possession of Biogenetics, so it can be part of a tech trade.

In case our proposal of IndAuto for a low level tech (like Biogenetics) and a unit of our choice (only units the Gaian Union already owns, mind you) is a bit hard to swallow, please let us know. We have quite a few other possibilities to offer in that case.

Also, a question. After some data processing it has come up that the speed at which the Union wishes to acquire Biogenetics indicates that the Gaian Lord of Progress has already decided on a beeline to Bio-engineering. May we know if this assumption has any ground?

This question is also asked for our preliminary setup of a joint research project. Our current project is also in an advanced state so it is wise to discuss agreements regarding this.

Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder

So I think they want a unit of their choice binTravkin. This is why I propose we offer both SL and rover + Biogenetics for IA. We have no other convenient units to give them and offering two might help end this diplo cycle so we can play the turn.

If I misread our diplomacy, so much the better....ie, problem solved. Now we need Illuminatus or Ouro to state our proposal and then get a response as soon as possible.

If anyone cares to anticipate their future offers and make plans, that would speed us along too.

[binTravkin]

I just got angry that the same thing that has been agreed is being talked over a thousand times and someone even gets angry that nothing is decided!

The DA stated:
Unit + Future tech is ok

We give:
SL + Future tech

CT, Ouro, Me, and you have agreeed, what else do we need???

SO just go on with sending the message and seeing if they agree (which they are most likely to do)

Our ambassador already got the orders..

"We accept your suggestion of your choice of unit and a L1 tech for IA, with the following restriction: We will not turn over any naval unit or probe unit, and no units on our own continent.

OK

As a suggestion, We have a rover and SL on your continent. Please accept both of them and treat their crews well. If, on the other hand, you'd like a mindworm, that can be arranged, however, we will need some turns to bring such a creature to your continent.

NOPE, only one(!!!) unit and we propose SL at first as Rover is more valuable, if they disagree, we give rover and evacuate SL or help them dealing with NL (FT)

If this is an acceptable deal to you, let us know soon so that we may turn over these units to you on our turn and you may transmit IA to us on your turn. We have X years to complete our next research, at which time we will immediately send you the information on Biogenetics. It is not possible for us to research a higher level tech at this time."

AOK except edition: "unit" in place of "units"

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by binTravkin
SL and Bio for IA

Is it so hard to understand that they already agree to this deal and this deal is good to us too?!?

They haven't.
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My fellow diplomat(s),

It was with some anticipation that a response was awaited. Although not as forthcoming as we hoped, it shows progress.

Are we to assume that the Gaian Union has no techs to offer at this time for the exchange of Industrial Automation? You can easily check this by offering all your tech in the diplomatic screen to us and see if anything else then comlinks and worldmap shows up. This said just in case you were not aware of the feature.

Also, the Gaian Union appearantly prefers to have Biogenetics as soon as possible. How quickly does the Union wishes to own this tech?
We might be willing to offer Industrial Automation next time the opportunity comes, but a level 3 tech for a level 1 tech is rather disparitive. Is the Union imperative in changing to Biogenetics as first priority when we transfer Industrial Automation or can we ask you to research a higher level tech if possible?
Also, for another possible trade: would the Union be willing to trade a level 1 tech AND a unit of our choice for Industrial Automation?

The last would be most forthcoming I think, we have some substantial gain on our part while the Union gains two technologies within a few years.

And in response to another topic brought up: mutual beneficial research does sound as an excellent way to cooperate in the future.

Sincerely,
InfoTrader GeoModder
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I will probably have to add a sweetener to the deal, like maps of their continent or guarantee of not popping any pods.

[binTravkin]

Also, for another possible trade: would the Union be willing to trade a level 1 tech AND a unit of our choice for Industrial Automation?

We've agreed to give:
"SL + L1 future tech"

that's the same as:
"unit + L1 future tech"

We need just to send the message so we get on and know their answer!

[smacksim]

binTravkin, my suggestions for what to offer were not orders , though a dictatorship would be efficient. Rather, they were suggestions for how to state our message since Ouro asked for help.

As Illuminatus re-quotes and re-suggests, we need to sweeten the deal. I suggest offering two units and Biogen. Again, if I'm mistaken and you have some info that says they agree, then by all means report it and we can play the turn. Otherwise, let me suggest:

Illuminatus, in the interests of time, and being that you are online and Ouro is offline, I suggest that you contact the Angels Data-monger and 'sweeten' the deal as you see fit. Since you and Ouro have been our liasons so far, it would be best if the rest of us stayed back and let you do the communication. It won't be tragic if we miss finishing this deal this turn, but it would be great to get it 'in the bag', so much so that I think you should be liberal with your offer. Hell, I'd even say 'give them 3 units: rover, SL, and MW', but of course getting the MW to them will take some time. So feel free to add to the pot on our behalf.

[smacksim]

Originally posted by binTravkin


We've agreed to give:
"SL + L1 future tech"

that's the same as:
"unit + L1 future tech"

We need just to send the message so we get on and know their answer!

They've already turned that down binT.

[binTravkin]

They've already turned that down binny.

Than we're the hell is the report?

ADD:I don't see it in Diplo Correspondance thread!

[smacksim]

You are right, Illuminatus has not been faithfully posting to that thread, but rather put it in here or in the other diplo thread. More reasons to keep fewer threads.

[Illuminatus]

Uh oh...

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:03 am Post subject:

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Lord Illuminatus,

We of the Data Angels have another view of our strategic situation.
We have simply no need for a Spore Launcher at this moment, since our continent is already scouted.
How does this proposal sound? We receive Biogenetics and your transport foil in return for Industrial Automation. We are willing to consider the foil as only 'borrowed' for a number of turns or include a comlink to sweeten the pie.
The foil would be used to receive faster technology in a nearer future which would benefit both our factions.

I realize that currently the foil is being used to bring back your screening units in our territory, so is it possible to give an estimate of how much time will be involved to do so?

Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder

[binTravkin]

Good to know it, maybe now we can make appropriate decision..

Offer them rover + SL, NEVER give foil!

[Illuminatus]

This is what I have sent them, I also asked about comlink they mentioned.

[smacksim]

I say, let's rent them the foil. It's not like we can fit a whole invasion on the thing, and neither can they. Their effective probe teams could go get more tech. Meanwhile we can finish exploring/probing the north.

Maybe rent out the foil for 10 years at a time. Since they seem to understand that it's a big deal, we should press this advantage. They even offer a commlink, which could be nice. I know how important the foil is, but it's a single very vulnerable unit. We are at the stage in the game where IODs start popping up all over the place, in which case it's sunk. By gaining an advantage now (commlink, IA) for the foil, we let the Angels take the risk of having it sunk with their units.

Further, as the foil is so darn far away, we will have a few turns to move it over to them. We can dropoff a probe on the northern continent, on the way (if it's even not landbridged to us, which it seems now to be). Finally, we should request safe passage for our rover/sl off their continent. Perhaps we can find out if there is a polar passage-way they wouldn't mind us taking.

So let's not discard this idea out of hand.

[binTravkin]

K, then if current offer failr, we offer foil for some time and receive a commlink!

[Illuminatus]

Lord Illuminatus,

This counter proposal is quite tempting I must say, and it opens vistas for our first future joint research project.

Am I correct in assuming then that a Spore Launcher, a Scout Rover and Biogenetics will become Angel property in return for Industrial Automation? Or are there even more Gaian scouts in the area then we know of at this moment.

Also, the presence of at least two Gaian scouts in our territory indicated that more then one Unity Foil is in your possession, therefore our vision that one easily could be shared with the Unions ' new friends.

As for the comlink, is this an inquiry for another negotiation, or is the Gaian Union thinking of renegotiating the earlier proposal?

Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder

We may be on to sth.

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by binTravkin


Than we're the hell is the report?

ADD:I don't see it in Diplo Correspondance thread!

I don't see the need for correspondance thread, since diplomacy is not conducted via PMs anymore, but via forum on Eventis. Everything can eb seen there, and indeed, I don't see why other Gaians haven't registered there.